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Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:00 am

I was wondering what routes out of Denver Intl AIrport make the most money for Frontier and United. Are these the leisure routes that TED is aiming for, or are they destinations like LAX, SFO, LGA, etc.?

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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:20 am

I would guess LAX. F9 doesn't have 6 flights on that route for no reason.

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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:26 am

I would guess Denver - Chicago (ORD), 2 pretty big hubs, lots of flights. -Brett
 
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:30 am

I am sure it's to all NYC airports, LAX, ORD and FRA.
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:43 am

For Frontier, it's a mix of business and leisure, with the balance going to business travel.

DEN/LAX, DEN/DFW, DEN/LGA, DEN/DCA are among their top routes.

On the leisure side, it is Denver to the Mexican resorts (seasonal), and DEN/FLL. The other Florida routes are more seasonal.

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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:50 am

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!
 
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:45 am

Mariner-do you have any idea what the load factors on the LAX flights are on average? I flew LAX-DEN/return this last month and the loads were about 65-70% I would say.
 
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:53 am

I can tell you that on F9 DEN to all the Florida locations is a huge cash cow. Those flights are always full! I fly non-rev on F9 DEN-RSW very often and it is hard to get on that flight no matter what time of year it is. I think the new flights to Mexico are also doing very well...
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:29 am

UAL does a lot of traffic to LAS on the Shuttle routes from DEN.
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:27 am

First of all, remember that just because loads are high doesn't mean that yields are high. A major carrier could have a full flight, while an LCC could have a half-empty flight, and depending on fares, the LCC may still be more profitable on that route.

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!

No way. These are low-yield leisure destinations. While skiers are probably willing to pay a bit more than your average leisure-fare customer, they're still not going to be the most profitable. Also, I just checked fares to these destinations -- they ranged from $265 to $305 round-trip. Maybe a bit much for a short route, but I wouldn't call them "extremely" high. Also, most people from Denver will drive these routes; most of the passengers are probably connecting, so who knows what price they paid.
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:33 am

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DEN-SJC
DEN-ORD
DEN-IAD
DEN-SFO
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:57 am

AirVB:

Frontier doesn't publicly break down loads by individual routes - to my knowledge. You say you flew "last month" - I guess you mean January?

Both December and January are slow-ish months (apart from the holiday week), so that 65%-70% load sounds about right.

One stated reason for the LAX expansion is to "take the pressure off" DEN/LAX.

FYI: Frontier's latest reported break even load factor was 68%. December load factor (system wide) was 72.5%

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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:23 am

Im sure that the DEN-IAD route is big for United.
Also, what aircraft does UAL fly for the DEN-IAD routes?
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:26 am

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!

No way. These are low-yield leisure destinations. While skiers are probably willing to pay a bit more than your average leisure-fare customer, they're still not going to be the most profitable.


Leisure destinations do not equate to low-yield. Aspen especially is a high-yield market commanding very high fares, so is Vail/Eagle. Let's not forget Palm Springs, Anchorage, Dubai, and Miami, which also fit the same exact profile as high-yielding leisure destinations (though the latter three to have a larger business mix).
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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:36 am

MSP-DEN is a huge moneymaker for Northwest... for whatever reason, there's a lot of traffic between the two cities, and if you've ever tried to upgrade that route, or God forbid, non-rev on it, you'll find that out very quickly.


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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:52 pm

I would say ORD-DEN is a big one

I disagree with ssides, ASE isn't a money maker?

You fly 100 people on a BAE-146-300 and each pax is paying $265.00-$305.00x100?

and now pay off the awac crews,pennies on the dollar, and they didn't make money?

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How do you think F9 will fare once UAL gets DEN-DCA?

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RE: Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:36 pm

Which does remind me: what kind of planes does UA fly on the route between SFO and DEN? Is it mostly 757-200's?

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