ultrapig
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Pilot Pit Stops

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:37 pm

I was on an AA flight DFW-STL in first class last night. I noted that half an hour into the flight a pilot used the lav and when he came out a FA went into the cockpit. My seatmate and I guessed that this was a protocol which involved the FA opening the door from the inside when the Pilot was done with the Lav. Leaving his fellow pilot to fly without distraction. My seatmate also noticed that the door seemed to have a keyhole which didn't make sense since since a terrorist could demand someone give him the key.

I was surprised that the Pilot had to use the facility on such a short flight.

Is my theory correct.?
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:46 pm

When I was on my first leg from TOL-ATL this same thing happened on this flight. The FO went to use the restroom and the FA went into the cockpit. And when the FO returned, the FA went back into the cabin. You mentioned that the door had a key. This door did not, but then again it was 6 in the morning; I was barely awake and I might have missed it.  Big thumbs up Anywho, my .02

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PER744
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:23 am

Different airlines seem to use different procedures. On TZ I have seen a few times that when the Captain or FO uses the restroom that the cockpit door is propped open, however at least 2 FA's block the aisle with a cart.

 
trijetfan1
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:39 am

Wait,I thought that the airline pilots in the US are suppose to keep their doors closed no matter what. I am not sure, but is there a lav that is accessable to pilots without opening the cockpit door?
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JeffM
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:44 am

NO.

There isn't

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jbmitt
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:44 am

TriJetFan1,

I know that you are new here, and somebody got on your case today..so I'm going to be easy.

You're right about the law..however, there aren't lavatories specifically for the pilots or flight crews. That would be a waste of crucial space.


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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:48 am

Jbmitt- Sorry and who got on my case today?
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LEARJET23
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:35 pm

FAA And TSA rules now state that a pilot must reduce true airspeed to a level whereupon he can position himself in the seat, to piss out the window in a safe and non hazardous manner.
 
7574EVER
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:39 pm

LOL....Very funny Learjet23.  Laugh out loud
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NIKV69
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:42 pm

Hmm I noticed that to on a flight from Cleveland to ISP, I figured the FA was going into to the cockpit to perform some unofficial duties if you get my drift.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Can someone please tell me what the official ruling is on this behavior?

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7574EVER
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:46 pm

"I figured the FA was going into to the cockpit to perform some unofficial duties if you get my drift." - NIKV69

No, actually I don't get your drift. Would you mind giving us a full explanation?  Big grin

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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:50 pm

Well I would but it would not be in good taste so I will pass. I am curious as to why the FA entered the cockpit, any body know why this practice is used when a pilot leaves the cockpit?
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:56 pm

Learjet23--

What if the pilot has diarrhea? Do standard "drop and hang" procedures apply?

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7574EVER
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:56 pm

NIKV69,
I was just joking of course......In answer to your question, it is to my understanding that the door must be completely closed if a pilot leaves the cockpit to use the facilities or flirt with the FA's. So an FA will go into the cockpit to open the door for the pilot when he returns. This allows the pilot still in the cockpit to remain seated and continue flying the plane instead of having to open the door. Don't quote me but this is what I've been told. Perhaps someone can prove, disprove, or elaborate on this statement.

[Edited 2004-02-05 06:57:24]
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NIKV69
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:00 pm

I knew you were kidding  Big grin

That makes sense, thank you.
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:06 pm

Lear23

With regard to the procedure you discuss in post #7 let me tell you that it does not work all that well.

First time I tried a damn B-52 came up and tried to refuel on me!
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jhooper
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:44 pm

The process of having the pilot leave the cockpit to use the restroom is rather complicated; therefore, they usually try to take care of restroom needs on the ground prior to flight. If they must go, then they must implement the complicated procedures.
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jahckass
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:13 am

i like the idea of having a fa enter the cockpit while a pilot is in the cabin. im guessing in some cockpits it is possible for a pilot to reach back and open a door while seated in his/her position however it is not possible for him/her to look through the peep hole while remaining at the controls. if s/he were to get up to look out the peephole then open the door, there is a greater chance that s/he could end up in the cabin and nobody in the cockpit (which could be bad if the door closes behind them). to sum up, two people in the cockpit at all times makes it harder to end up with no one in the cockpit.
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:19 am

"If they must go, then they must implement the complicated procedures."

All sounds a bit drastic... when I need to go, I just go!
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:13 am

And it is those "complicated procedures" that justify our huge salaries.
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:00 am

I think the only reason for the FA to go in the cockpit is incase something happens to the other pilot in the Cockpit. Saw them do this Twice once the FO and once the Captain. Did not notice if there was a key or not. But in the AA 757 i know when the Cockpit door opens the light up front turns off. Very good thinking. But i think they did this before 9-11
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LEARJET23
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:08 am

What if a really fine hooters type F/A would just hold a bed pan to the pilots schlong while he kept his hands on the wheel? That way there would be no interruption and the F/A's could keep a record of who had the "heavy equipment"
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:44 am

With regards to the key hole: Perhaps this is to allow the door to be locked when noone is on board the aircraft. this would stop anyone boarding an unatended ac at a gate and accessing the cockpit. Once the pilots are in the cockpit I would imagine there would be a second lock that can only be accessed from inside the cockpit.

With regards to the FA entering the cockpit, it could be for any of the following reasons:

1) To open the door to allow the pilot back in
2) To monitor the remaining member of staff incase he has a heart attack. They can then open the door and alert the other member of flight crew
3) To provide an extra body in the event a terrorist tries to gain access when the pilot is in the loo...

Well theres a few reasons, im sure there are many more!
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:16 pm

the reason a F/A goes into the cockpit is a change in the rules regarding cockpit entry. Someone has to visually verify that the person about to enter the cockpit is indeed who they say they are. With one pilot out of the cockpit making a pit stop, it is impossible for the other to get up and look out the peep hole and make this verification without leaving his duty station. So the F/A has to go into the cockpit to check when the other pilot is ready to come back.
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:04 pm

7574EVER is absolutely right. In many airlines the policy is to keep the cockpit door closed at all times. So when one of the cockpit crew members comes out of the cockpit a flight attendant must enter the cockpit to lock it from inside and then subsequently open it again when the crew returns.
 
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RE: Pilot Pit Stops

Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:39 pm

I know b/c my dad is a pilot and from observations that if a pilot has to go to the lav that they will most likely go when they too are being served food. This happens when the entire A/C is being fed. When this happens there are carts in the aisle and as all of us know its a bitch to get through one of those. On all of the UAL flights I've flown First they use the cart in fornt of the door even when it's shut and the pilot is in the lav. It makes a lot more sense to do this b/c most people are sitting, the aisles are blocked and you open the cockpit door as minimal as possible. IM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO BY THE BOOK (for those of us out there that will yell at me for giving out "security" procedures)THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE SEEN.


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