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AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:06 pm

Following United's demise from the Miami-South America market, reliable rumour is that AA will be filing with DOT for more slots to Brazil and Argentina. Service between Miami and Sao Paulo, currently 18x a week, would increase to 21x a week. Service between Miami and Buenos Aires would likely increase from the current 14x a week to 18x a week, with the new frequency operating as a daylight service. Unconfirmed, so we'll see what happens and watch out for those DOT dockets. AA was approved, by the way, for daily DFW-EZE. Starts 10 June 2004.
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:11 pm

Mark, always nice to see further expansion for AA at MIA. A few questions off topic questions:

1)When is the new terminal going to open?

2)Any updates regarding the BHX/MAN rumors?

3)Updates on Kenya Airways flying to MIA

Thanks as always for your excellent info!

Ryan Kaskel - MIA

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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:19 pm

1)When is the new terminal going to open?

Concourse D satilliete is supposed to open very soon, if not already. ALl of it will be ready by 2006.

2)Any updates regarding the BHX/MAN rumors?

Nothing other than the fact that MIA-MAN is on the drawing board for both bmi british midland and American Airlines for this winter.

3)Updates on Kenya Airways flying to MIA

Unfortunatley, no.
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:10 pm

The new Concourse D, will not be finish until maybe next month.

They are still working on the ramp, and many other things, it was supposed to open in November, the jetways are in place and they are working on the apron.

Bad news is that the MIA airport hotel will be closing in the next months...
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:04 am

What's happening with MIA airport hotel is going closing for next months? I didn't hear about anything news about the MIA airport. What are you else was going on for next?
 
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:58 am

Too late, DL just announced resumed ATL-Buenos Aires service starting 12/04. You snooze, you loose AA. Anyway, I'm sure AA will still look into adding the flights, it's just weird that DL announced the service as I was reading this post.
 
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:59 am

Too late, DL just announced resumed ATL-Buenos Aires service starting 12/04. You snooze, you loose AA. Anyway, I'm sure AA will still look into adding the flights, it's just weird that DL announced the service as I was reading this post.

Delta announced the resumed service, pending approval, last week. It is not too late to add the flights. I don't think AA will have much trouble getting the extra frequency, especially with Un ited having seven dormant slots.
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:05 am

Does UA have dormant EZE frequencies? I wasn't aware that anyone had those dormant except for DL's (which should be put back to use in 12/04).

I can imagine that AA will try to scoop up the frequencies from UA's MIA-GRU flight.

 
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:23 am

Does UA have dormant EZE frequencies? I wasn't aware that anyone had those dormant except for DL's (which should be put back to use in 12/04).


AFAIK, yes. They used to run three daily EZE flights to MIA, JFK, and ORD. In 2002, ORD was dropped and JFK was moved to IAD. AFAIK, they still have the dormancy on one frequency, but I could be wrong. AA will likely go after it if they do.

I can imagine that AA will try to scoop up the frequencies from UA's MIA-GRU flight.

They might, though US-Brazil frequencies are not very hard to come by. AA got extra ones easily this summer.
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:16 am

What A/C do airlines use on these routes? Are these routes really that popular?

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Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:35 am

What A/C do airlines use on these routes?

On MIA-EZE/GRU? AA uses an even mix of 772s and 763s.

Are these routes really that popular?

Yes. MIA-GRU market is huge on O&D, so is MIA-EZE. We are talking something like 400,000+ O&D passengers a year to each, and that is being generous. There is also a lot of O&D to GRU from Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, and Boston (though there is no BOS-GRU), and to EZE from New York City.

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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:44 am

Sorry to slide off the thread, but who is starting these KQ MIA rumours, and what drugs are they on? Ever since KQ announced their orders for 777, the rumours have been wild. KQ is using the 777 to increase capacity on LHR/AMS-NBO flights.

By the way, what about UA starting the daily service to SGN?

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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:27 am

Sorry to slide off the thread, but who is starting these KQ MIA rumours, and what drugs are they on? Ever since KQ announced their orders for 777, the rumours have been wild. KQ is using the 777 to increase capacity on LHR/AMS-NBO flights.


They are no rumours, Kenya Airways has specificlly said they would like to start service to Miami.

From the Kenya Financial Standard:
Miami Seeks Links with Nairobi
By James Anyanzwa
Deal Could Spell Trouble for National Carriers Code Share Agreement with KLM
Kenya Airways’ long standing partnership with KLM, a Royal Dutch Airline, is under siege as the stalemate over introduction of a direct flight between Nairobi and Miami, USA, gathers momentum.

Afraid of losing the lucrative European market, top management of the national flag carrier have remained non-committal to a deal requiring the airline to relinquish its stake in KLM, as a precondition to secure an independent route to Miami.

Though the US government has great interest in the deal, KQ is still fretting that consenting to the pact will jeorpadise its strong symbiotic relationship with KLM and subsequently lead to loss of revenue from the European market.

KQ has no route of its own and depends on KLM for connection to Europe.

KLM struck an alliance with KQ in 1996 in a bid to share routes and avoid flying to every single point, which could be unprofitable. They can also share joint purchasing expertise and offices.

Efforts, for two consecutive days, to get comments from KQ managing director, Titus Naikuni, proved futile as he was said to be in a board meeting.

The Financial Standard has also reliably established that the director of Miami International Air Aviation, Mr South Miguel, and his delegation visited the country in February to negotiate the deal with Kenya Airways.

However, a consensus is yet to be reached as other requirements set by the US government Department of Air Aviation continue to take toll on the country’s fragile economy.

It has been established that 24 conditions were set nearly three years ago by a team of US aviation specialists commissioned to asses the state of Kenya’s major international airport before being considered for a "category one" status that will allow KQ to fly into the US air-space.

But according to sources, the requirements were later reduced to 15 after intense lobbying by the Kenya government.

And the government is yet to implement some of these conditions, including the issue of security and upgrading of the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA).

Sources also revealed that, a recent cabinet decision to have Embakasi airport transformed to a local flight terminus, is a scheme to pave way for the expansion of runways at JKIA to accommodate at least two aircraft at a time, in response to external pressure.

The government is of the view that the dream for the proposed flight is likely to come true in mid 2005, subject to the outcome of on-going negotiations between KQ and Miami International Air Aviation.

Sources revealed that the new route will require a 300-seat Boeing 777 aircraft which KQ doesn’t own but whose acquisition Miami Aviation has offered to finance.

According to documents of a research study conducted by a consultancy firm, SH&E Air International commissioned by Miami-Dade Aviation Department in February 2003, and availed to The Financial Standard, the strategically based Miami is the first logical US gateway for KQ as the North-eastern part is served by the Northwest/KLM alliance.

It also reveals that East Africa (EA) accounts for 35 percent of Miami-Africa Air Trade volume.

According to the Kenya National Chamber of Commerce and Industry (KNCCI) the move will mean greater access of Kenyan products to the American market, and hence facilitate full exploitation of the AGOA initiative.

"The move will provide an additional impetus to the growth of horticulture and tourism sector," says Laban Onditi, KNCCI’s Small and Medium size Enterprises (SMEs) chairman.

He said it would be an opportunity for Kenya’s fresh produce items such as fruits and flowers to reach the American market in time.

Articles have also appeared in the Miami Herald and South Florida Sun-Sentinel.
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RE: AA Likely To Add More MIA-GRU/EZE Service

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:55 am

MAH4546,

Man!! This is would be good news for KQ to begin nonstop MIA. When will begin with their flight? How? When will get pending government approval for their flight to MIA soon? What are you think about those new route for this year or next year of 2005? It would be first flight will flying out from AMS to MIA, right?