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WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:44 am

FEBRUARY 4, 2004 - 13:57:26 ET
CALGARY, ALBERTA--WestJet today announced the introduction of its 2004
summer schedule, including the addition of 120 non-stop flights per week
between cities throughout its current network and the introduction of
scheduled transborder service in the fall.

WestJet's new summer schedule will be introduced in four phases with new
services commencing on the following dates: May 1, 2004, June 15, 2004,
June 26, 2004, and July 5, 2004. A complete list of WestJet's schedule
changes is available in the accompanying Schedule Change Backgrounder.

WestJet will begin transborder service from Canada to destinations in
the United States commencing in early October 2004, offering regular
scheduled service between Canada and Los Angeles, California; Ft.
Lauderdale, Florida; and Orlando, Florida. In the fourth quarter of
2004, WestJet will also add seasonal scheduled service between Canada
and Phoenix, Arizona and Palm Springs, California.


Clive Beddoe, WestJet's President, CEO and Executive Chairman,
commented: "I am very pleased to announce the further details of
our 2004 schedule enhancements. With the addition of these flights,
WestJet will offer a very strong schedule of service from the cities of
Montreal, Toronto, Halifax, and Vancouver. As of July 5, 2004 WestJet
will be operating 1700 weekly departures, offering 240 city pairs and 24
destinations.

"Beyond the enhancements we are making to our domestic schedule,
the timing is now ideal for WestJet to begin transborder service.
Canadians have been asking WestJet to provide our low fares and unique
service into the United States for many years. We are now at a stage in
our growth where transborder service is a prudent, logical next step.
Our schedule will offer convenient service to the cruise ship markets in
Florida, the theme parks and warm weather of California, and the golf
and sun destinations of Arizona."

Details of the departure cities for the United States destinations and
the date that flights for these routes will go on sale will be provided
in the coming weeks pending airport negotiations. With today's summer
schedule enhancements, WestJet will utilize six new Boeing
Next-Generation 737-700 aircraft.

WestJet currently operates a fleet of 45 Boeing 737 aircraft, 26 of
which are state-of-the-art Next-Generation 700-series aircraft equipped
with leather seats and enhanced legroom. WestJet will be installing live
seatback satellite TV on its entire fleet of 737-700 aircraft with
completion expected by mid-2004. By the end of 2004 WestJet will be
operating a fleet of 36 737-700 series aircraft and 18 737-200 series
aircraft.




[Edited 2004-02-04 20:55:28]
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:48 am

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:52 am

It would be nice if WestJet also included some northern U.S. cities, such as New York and Chicago. Out of ORD, AA only flies to YUL, YOW, YYZ, YYC, and, seasonally, YVR. UA only flies to YYZ and codeshares with Mapleflot to the other Canadian destinations.

WestJet could do for transborder flying what WN and TZ have done for domestic flying.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:07 am

Not only do the majors (Air Canada, Alaska (YYC/YVR-LAX) etc.) have to watch out for Westjet, but Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando will more then likely be served from the east so Jetsgo and Canjet will have to watch out as well.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:12 am

This is the official word for the YUL station:

Highlights:
New routes to YWG/YQM/YYZ
-YYZ 7 new flights
-YWG 1 flight
-YQM 1 flight
-YVR 2 flights now
-YYC 1 flight + 1 extra freq on Sundays
-YHZ 1 flight.

13 daily flights!! This up from 6 flights!

The highlight will be nice to see 3 WS planes on the ground at the same time at around the 730p hour.  Big thumbs up

Go WS!

Mark
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:16 am

Not bad for a uni-dimensional company.......  Nuts
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:33 am

What Canadian cities are these routes going to be from? Calgary hopefully.
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:44 am

I fear WS may be over-ambitious, especially trying to kick SG and AC off YULYYZ where they have a combined 35 daily flights.

Mark
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:48 am

Does this announcment mean that WN, F9, Jetblue, and spirit will have to compete with WS and start flying to Canada? I could see F9 doing it as right now they has service in Mexico!

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:00 am

Hey Mark, its not 35 weekly flights, not 35 daily.

Summer changes/highlights include (in weekly departures)

Changes Effective May 1, 2004:
Ottawa to Vancouver 0 flights to 7
Vancouver to Ottawa 0 flights to 7
Vancouver to Saskatoon 1 flights to 6
Saskatoon to Vancouver 1 flights to 6

Changes Effective June 15, 2004:
Ottawa to Toronto 34 flights to 40
Toronto to Ottawa 34 flights to 40
Vancouver to Toronto 19 flights to 26
Toronto to Vancouver 20 flights to 27

Changes Effective June 26, 2004:
Toronto to Victoria 0 flights to 7
Victoria to Toronto 0 flights to 7
Halifax to Calgary 0 flights to 7
Calgary to Halifax 0 flights to 7

Changes Effective July 5, 2004:
Montreal to Vancouver 7 flights to 14
Vancouver to Montreal 7 flights to 14
Montreal to Toronto 39 flights to 46
Toronto to Montreal 39 flights to 46
Calgary to St. John's 0 flights to 4
St. John's to Calgary 0 flights to 4
Calgary to Moncton 0 flights to 3
Moncton to Calgary 0 flights to 3
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:03 am

CanadaEH.

I said that on peak days, SG and AC together have close to 35 daily flights.. AC offers anywhere from 24-28 pending operational days, and SG has 8.

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:18 am

Still no flights to YXY or YZF though, WS is missing out on a lot of traffic by not serving the North of their own country.
If you can get them out of the north for a decent price people would be more willing to use WS for the rest of their trip.
I am looking forward to see what they do next.....
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:26 am

I wouldn't doubt that they've considered it, WrenchBender..... but perhaps the yield isn't there for service with a 737-700.... especially not when WestJet would be competing with Air North and Canadian North on the same routes, and Canadian North has a 732 Combi which can increase the return with cargo, much more than WS can with their current 737-700s.
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:47 am

Goose.
But if they set up service to cover the mine rotations at Ekati and Lac du Gras (2 weeks in 2 weeks out) Thursday is rotation day for most people they can easily fill a -700.
I lived up there for 3 years and prices were between Can $500 and $1350 just to get from YZF to YEG. Not a lot of cash left to go anywhere else after that. I agree that First Air and Canadian North provide a valuable service but they have limited service if you want to connect out of YYC or YEG.

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:47 am

I guess, WJ is after the holiday market. These are all destinations that Canada 3000 used to fly to (LAX PHX and Florida).

The florida flights..... They will be too much competition. JETsgo, AC, CanJet, Air Transat, Skyservice and all the US carriers offer cheap flights there. What kind of yields are they planning to generate.

The California and Arizona markets.... I am not sue how much money they can make. You just need to count how many flight to Cali there are from YYC and YVR.

Phoenix .. two flights a day to YYC on HP and one A310 on AC. CRJ 900 from PHX to YEG and two HP flights daiklt to YVR.

Clive is losing it. Unless he expects to drive all these carriers out of those markets.....


I have said this before and I will say it again... WJ is digging its own grave
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:55 am

Ah but Clive & CO could strike gold by serving Florida where the others don't, or do serve, but serve poorly. In other words, the YOW's, YXU's, YQG's and YHM's of the world.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:02 am

I fear WS may be over-ambitious, especially trying to kick SG and AC off YULYYZ where they have a combined 35 daily flights.

Naw....WS is moving incrementally into YYZ-YUL...they will continue to add addl dailies as more traffic comes their way. Unless the market grows, AC will see their biggest route shrink. Initially, the WS presence will be relatively small.

As for the US, I'm surprised that EWR, LAS and MDW were not mentioned. Im sure this transborder expansion will have AC quaking. If WS adds LAX from YYZ, YYC and YVR, it will do major damage to LAX for AC.





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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:07 am

YOW,

You really believe that WJ will be operating flights to the US from secondary airports. I don't think so...
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:08 am

Just like they've done on YOW-YYZ, widebodies on YUL-YYZ will become further reduced if there isn't an increase in traffic. But remember, WestJet is historically known as a traffic stimulator.

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:13 am

YOW,

These markets are already saturated.... And as it is now, there's plenty of cheap flights.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:24 am

Who are you to say that WJ won't do well on those routes? I think a CEO of an airline would have a better idea on where to fly his planes than you would..
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:30 am

CanadaEH
We shall see how long before WJ records its first losing quarter
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:46 am

LAX-Canada is a huge market. In fact, there are only four cities in Canada that have a larger Canadian population than exists in Los Angeles!
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:54 am

Clive seems to have a solid team of advisors and planners behind him, not to mention a reputation and brand recognition second to none among airlines in Canada; if anyone in the Canadian industry is to make a solid, profitable go of transborder service.... it'll most likely be WestJet.

I don't think this spell the end of WestJet's winning streak; just because they take more risks than you would doesn't mean much - they've been a rounding success so far. They're pretty careful about their growth, but again.... they take risks. Some have paid off big. Some, not so well - but WestJet has always been able to evaluate risk and not be afraid to figure out when the yields don't justify continued service; read YSB, YAM and YBR. They're quite cost-conscious in that regard...... as well as in their operational side.
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:38 am

I used to work for Canadi>n in PSP. (Palm Springs, California ). Our flights were
always full . Canadi>n flew of course only during fall through spring, but we had good loads. Its nice to see transborder service returning to PSP.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:46 am

Also, this is very good news for WJ is going to FLL & PHX flight, too. It would be wonderful news for the canadian passengers goes to PHX & FLL, too. It is competition of AC whose did flew to FLL & PHX, too. Anyone would like suggeestion question about their news. Thanks!  Smile
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:30 pm

YOW,

You really believe that WJ will be operating flights to the US from secondary airports. I don't think so...


Yegbey1, nope, I didn't say I believe they will. All I said was the opportunity exists to serve those markets to Florida 1 or 2x weekly, at least on a seasonal basis. YOW can probably support daily service to a Florida destination during the winter months. Heck if YYZ can support 10 flights a day, YOW can likely support more than the current 2x weekly seasonal to FLL on AC.

YOW,

These markets are already saturated.... And as it is now, there's plenty of cheap flights.


Which is why I said AC will likely downgrade a number of flights in order to maintain route frequency, UNLESS WS can stimulate further traffic growth...which remains to be seen of course.
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:21 pm

Where will WS fly MCO or SFB in Orlando? I was just in Orlando and took SG and i was not impressed, among other stories of theirs that i will not get into now...(another post has them all wrapped up). I think SFB is an awesome airport, when we arrived, Wed. Morn Dec 24th to be exact, you could have blown a cannon off in the terminal and the only people you would have bothered were the guys cleaning the washrooms. Not a sole in there, the drive to Disney world is a mear 45 minutes and not bad at all. When leaving it was busier but, our flight, all 160pax were the only ones going through screening in our terminal!! SO i give SFB an A+ Compared to MCO the year previous!

I think that Jetblue and WJ have some sort of deal but please confirm that?

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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:30 pm

What I'd like to know is who is going to do our ramp and our customer service. Will we contract it out WFS/Globeground style or will we have JetBlue/Southwest-types do it?
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:40 pm

Gmonney, some articles I've read today state that the airports have yet to be determined. Los Angeles has a couple to choose from as well (LAX, ONT, LGB, if I'm not mistaken?) I'd expect them to be chosen in the next few weeks and when the city pairs are announced, the airports will have been finalized.
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:43 pm

CanadEH,
There's also Orange County (Anaheim).
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:47 pm

Is WestJet planning on flights to San Diego? Flights To Calgary would be great!
 
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:56 pm

What I'd like to know is who is going to do our ramp and our customer service. Will we contract it out WFS/Globeground style or will we have JetBlue/Southwest-types do it?

Frontier ran some of WS' customer service ops in LAS at one point in time, if I'm not mistaken.

It'd be nice if they could operate in tandem with, say, WN at one of those airports. That'd make the "experience" pretty seamless and less discernable to the average customer.
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RE: WestJet's Summer Schedule & Scheduled Transborder

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:33 pm

AS already flies PSP-YVR on weekends.

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