FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:45 am

Air Canada is slated to reinstate Toronto to SanDiego effective June 1st. Following the cancellation of the route post 9/11, the start-up date has been amended several times.

The computer is currently listing flights between 01June & 30October. It hardly seems worthwhile reinstating a route for 4 months, and S.D. not exactly a seasonal destination such as Palm Springs. Loads were actually decent prior to 9/11.

Do you think it will fly??

[Edited 2004-02-05 00:48:54]
Above and Beyond
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:09 am

If AC has a surplus 319 for the summer based out of YYZ, this might simply be the best route to reinstate profit wise. With UA handling at SAN, it can't be that expensive to reinstate.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
futureualpilot
Posts: 2402
Joined: Thu May 25, 2000 10:52 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:43 am

yay! SAN will go back to serving 2 whole countries with scheduled international service! :P

Seriously though, thats good to hear, Ill definitley be down to catch it.
Life is better when you surf.
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:51 am

Of all of the post 9/11 route cancellations, YYZ-SAN was the biggest shocker for us. Loads were generally perceived to be very good, with alot of O&D traffic.

With the arrival of the CRJ700's and the ERJ's, I've heard that YVR-SAN is high on the launch list.

Before long, hopefully SAN will be invaded by both coasts of the Great White North!!
Above and Beyond
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:21 pm

FLYACYYZ,

Any info as to why they cancelled ONT. As far as I can remember, it got cancelled before Sept 11. ONT could serve as an altenative to both LAX and PSP.

I recently connected through LAX to get to ONT (final destination was PSP). Thought the ONT location was quite convenient.

Any chanc AC would also consider ONT from YVR
 
Guest

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:50 pm

It's seasonal, has an 80% LF and is handled by UAL underwing and overwing. It costs them nothing to provide this service.
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:39 pm

YEGBEY01 -

Regarding YYZ-ONT, as I took the flight once to get to PSP, I have to believe this destination was severely under promoted. While PSP is very popular with Western Canadians, still a steady flow of travellers from the east as well.

The loads were not great, but great mid-sized facility to fly into, and a quick 45 minute drive to PSP. After the return of SAN, would love to see ONT reinstated.

I don't think the company would fly ONT-PSP, but I think YVR-PSP is a seasonal definite, especially with the recent announcement ths WestJet would be inagurating service.
Above and Beyond
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:50 am

CORRECTION -

Sorry meant to say in the previous post YVR-ONT...not ONT-PSP
Above and Beyond
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:23 am

what surprized me about the SAN schedule was that it was YYZ SAN arr 930pm the overnight in SAN then SAN-YYZ 8am dep 5pm arr.....so it was effectively an entire 319 dedicated to SAN. they should have redeyed it back from SAN arriving at YYZ 7am and fly in daytime from YYZ.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:34 am

YYZ717 -
Twofold reasons for the flight schedule of AC543/544.

1) To maximize connectivity to/from Europe

2) Gate and staffing availability at SAN by UA staff. The crew had a 34 hour layover at SAN to avoid legality problems with a minimum 10 hr layover. United firm about not delaying the return flight in the event the inbound flight was delayed, and legal crew rest would have to be extended.

Above and Beyond
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:49 am

Thanks FLYACYYZ! You're an absolute wealth of info about AC! Welcome to anet!
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
Trvlr
Posts: 4251
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:58 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:17 am

FLYCAYYZ's info makes a lot of sense. AC has a prime departure slot of SAN, and UA's terminal gets very crowded in the morning with both US and AS there, too.

I hope AC comes back soon! Given the (presumed) great loads on the route, I fail to see why it should be delayed any longer.

I can also see YVR-SAN becoming a reality soon, if not on AC, then AS.

Aaron G.
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:24 am

AS operated YVR-SAN a few years ago. But it was weekend only I believe...
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:33 am

As of today....AC543/AC544 has been vaporized from the summer schedule. Hope this is just under scheduling review, as my tequila supply is dwindling, and a day trip to Tijuana is long overdue.

Miss those SAN layovers!
Above and Beyond
 
flyyul
Posts: 4394
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:25 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:45 am

Vaporized  Big thumbs up

Great way to describe it, just like the proposed YULMEX flights last winter  Big grin

Mark
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:49 am

Or to quote George Costanza from Seinfeld...

"SHRINKAGE"
Above and Beyond
 
Trvlr
Posts: 4251
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:58 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:57 am

No YYZ-SAN at all? That is truly mystifying.

Aaron G.
 
flyyul
Posts: 4394
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:25 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:00 am

SAN is one of those destinations that is easily supported with multiple frequency by hubs south of the border...

I wonder about this one.

Mark
 
Coronado990
Posts: 1312
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:08 am

Okay, Jetsgo...there's another matured market waiting for ya...  Smile


Uncle SAN at your service!
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:21 am

Something is up with HNL as well. For the last week, as of July 1st, all YVR-HNL flights have an inhibit sale on all classes for an indefinite period of time.

Has anybody heard any rumblings about AC's HNL operations??
Above and Beyond
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:24 am

Rod, wasn't YYZ-HNL supposed to restart this winter? I thought last summer's cancellation was only seasonal?

N

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:28 am

That was the plan, and AC027 was slated for a restart in November/03.

The old stories. Aircraft availability, low yield, dumping ground flight for Aeroplan points. We heard every excuse. Apparently a fair bit of YYZ - Australia traffic has been lost to other carriers as a result of the direct flight suspension. Customers do not want to have to route YYZ-YVR-HNL-SYD, when they can just as easily do a one-stopper via alternate west coast gateways.

It is rumored to be coming back, but as you would put it, so is a hub in Myanmar!!
Above and Beyond
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:32 am

Aircraft availability, low yield, dumping ground flight for Aeroplan points. We heard every excuse. Apparently a fair bit of YYZ - Australia traffic has been lost to other carriers

Interesting! I can understand the Aeroplan dumping, low yields although I would have assumed only a tiny proportion of YYZ-HNL was bound for SYD...sounds like youre saying there was a high connect rate.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
AlekToronto
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:42 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:18 pm

yeah...the YYZYVRHNLSYD routing is a bitch for Eastern Canadians..

with Hawaiian adding new HNLSYD flights and QF adding extra flights..i wonder how AC will fare..if AC was serious about OZ they would do nonstops from YVR a few times a week with A340 or B744.

as for YYZSAN I hope it comes back..it was a great flight, full (overbooked) everytime i took it. The sked was great.

cheers!
Alek
 
nicksair
Posts: 421
Joined: Wed Aug 07, 2002 4:43 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:36 pm

To answer SAN-YVR operated by AC i dont think it will happen in the near future. When Canadian operated it i heard that it had poor loads. So i guess these days either pax fly UA to SFO or LAX then connect onto AC flights.

Regards
Nicholas William Reed KSAN/KLAX/KSFO
 
Trvlr
Posts: 4251
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:58 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:41 pm

Nicksair: True, but that was at least 5 years ago. With proper marketing, and an upswing in the economy, I am confident that SAN-YVR could establish itself sometime soon.

That having been said, given AC's apparent dithering on SAN-YYZ, I would be surprised if we see Air Canada back on the route before Alaska Airlines.

Aaron G.
 
Leneld
Posts: 600
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:00 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:57 pm

What about flights from PDX to Toronto?
 
FLYACYYZ
Topic Author
Posts: 1820
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:46 pm

Honestly can't see direct flights from PDX to YYZ. Generally when customers fly AC online to PDX, it is through YVR connecting to Jazz. I often operate YYZYVR and only once in a blue moon is there 1 or 2 pax connecting to PDX.

Any route that has recently been dumped or equipment downgauged, may be reinstated or upgauged upon the arrival of the ERJ190's. Those would include:

YYZ-SJC (suspended)
YYZ-SAN (suspended)
YYZ-IAH (A319>CRJ)
YYZ-DFW (A319>CRJ)

Confident that SAN will be resurrected from YYZ and ultimately from YVR, but only upon arrival of the Brazilian babies.
Above and Beyond
 
Coronado990
Posts: 1312
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 am

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:03 am

SD gets a LOT of visitors...and the most international visitors are from Canada according to the ConVis Bureau. I wonder how many more would come if we actually had a flight from there. I would hate to think they all drive down from L.A. Poor souls!

Uncle SAN at your service!
 
maiznblu_757
Posts: 4952
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2002 12:05 pm

RE: AC//YYZ-SAN Will It Materialize?

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:05 am

Why not YYZ-PSP. It would work on the weekends in the Winter and Spring.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: airjamaica, Baidu [Spider], brandnsn, nu, rhuns, sierra3tango, smi0006, Yahoo [Bot] and 182 guests