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United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:36 am

I was wondering why UA no longer served Manila, and why they don't fly SFO-MNL with a 777 or even 744? Daly City near SFO here has the highest population of Filipino's outside PR and yet only PR flys the route. PR is not very popular with the Filipino's as well? Is it just a flight with to low yeild?
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FA4UA
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:57 am

three questions:
1. How are cargo bookings for such a route?

2. Are there Business interests in supporting such a flight (ie corporate contracts for bookings)?

3. Is it cheaper/ more return for our alliance partners to run it and for us to get a kickback for the bookings we provide them with?

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SR 103
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:19 am

UA used to fly to Manila from San Francisco. I used to live in Manila and flew them a few times on my way to BOS. The flight was operated by a 747-400 via Seoul. Around 1997 they cut the route. I can't imagine it was for the lack of demand, but maybe rather for the poor yields. The MNL-SEL portions were rarely full unless it was a holiday time of year.

Also as of right now, I hardly see United trying to re-start their service. If the Filipinos want to avoid PR (as most people do), they can just fly NW or CX one stop via NRT and HKG respectively. JL/NH/OZ/CI/BR are alternatives as well.

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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:37 am

Terrible Yields.

Also, given UA's large Chicago/San Francisco/LA presence, and the large amounts of Filipino workers in those metropolitan areas, this flight was full of non-revs!

May I add, Filipinos, when going home, avail of *every possible pound* of allowable checked baggage. So there wasn't much Cargo revenue-generating potential either. Big grin
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:38 am

UA used to fly MNL-NRT-USA when they took over PAN AM's transpacific operations. Then they added MNL-SEL-SFO, serving MNL 2x a day, but then dropped the NRT flight in 1994. I think it would have been more convenient for connecting PAX if they kept NRT instead of SEL, but NW and PR were really aggressive back then (NW at one point served MNL 3x a day - all 744's!), so I suppose it was due to too much competition. Hopefully they'll be back in MNL again one day, especially because they have good reputation in the Philippines. I know some TA's in MNL would book their pax on CX/PR to HKG to connect with UA's services to SFO, even if it is more expensive than NW or JL via NRT.
 
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:42 am

"May I add, Filipinos, when going home, avail of *every possible pound* of allowable checked baggage. So there wasn't much Cargo revenue-generating potential either."

This is a good potential source of income if they strictly adhere to their baggage allowance rules. PR charges $150 (I think) for each extra piece of baggage.
 
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:43 am

I know this is out of the question, but how does NWA fly their 757s to Tokyo-Narita? I was told they didn't go to Guam. Since an airliner like the 757 is not capable of flying nonstop over the Pacific to NRT from the U.S., how do they get there? Anchorage?
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sllevin
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:55 am

ANC-NRT is a touch over 3400 miles -- no problem for ferrying a 757.

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clipper001
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:28 pm

Didn't United's cargo division operate Manila as a cargo-only destination? I thought I recall United had 4 cargo-only DC10s that they used from the US to the Pacific via Anchorage.
 
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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:29 pm

SFO-MNL would be an ideal route for the 7E7... just get a few corporate contracts, books a bit of cargo and off they go!

hopefully someday...

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RE: United Airlines: Why No SFO-MNL?

Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:41 pm

I still remember flying UA from LAX-NRT-MNL and MNL-SEL-SFO-LAX. (at first I thought the SEL flight was uncommon but this thread sort of cleared it up.) As much as I love flying with PR to the Philippines, I really miss taking UA to MNL....  Crying

Clipper001, yes they did fly to MNL from ANC............well at least according to my old Hemispheres magazine from 1995.
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