alexinwa
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What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:30 am

I'm not sure if I'm saying that right. But the average cost per seat per mile for the airlines is what I am looking for. Thanks!

I read WN was somewhere around .07 cents per mile. Should right?
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:32 am

The CASM for every airline can be found in their last earnings report. You can get accurate info for each of them there.
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:23 pm

Look on the airline's web site, under Investor Relations, then find their latest annual report or SEC filing.

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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:33 pm

Alexinwa:

You are correct. WN's CASM is around 7 cents. Jetblue is slightly less, the other LCC's are slightly more.

The legacy carriers generally have higher CASM's. UAL's last reported was just under 10 cents. US Airways is just over 10 cents.

But then you have to work out if that CASM includes or excludes fuel. Because fuel prices are a changing variable, airlines will often quote CASM - ex fuel - and then give the figure including fuel.

Frontier's last report gave their CASM was just under 7 cents - ex fuel - but if you include fuel at its present high prics, then their CASM was just over 8.

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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:11 pm

I'm not sure if I understand this right... If an airline has a per seat/per mile cost of $.07 per mile, and if flight A is 1000 miles long, it would cost the airline $70 to fly one passenger?
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:39 pm

If an airline has a per seat/per mile cost of $.07 per mile, and if flight A is 1000 miles long, it would cost the airline $70 to fly one passenger?
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That's correct, but these days people are complaining about spending $70 dollars to fly transatlantic in first class.
 
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:53 pm

Wow, thanks Artsyman. So if a 1000 mi journey costs around $220 such as LAX-SEA, then it really would cost $70 for a profit of $150! That's almost as bad as CD's costing $.02 to make and selling for $15!
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:01 pm

Except that you are missing quite a few factors.:

The $220 is return, therefore the journey is 2000 miles, and $140 dollars. Then the government takes about 50% of the $220 in taxes, then they take a further $2.50 per segment for security fees, and then the airports take departure taxes, and so on and so on....

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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:02 pm

...only that you also have to factor in that the airline won't sell every seat on a plane, so with a seat load factor of e.g. 75% and a CASM of $0.07 per mile, a seat actually "costs" $93.33 .

Sorry if there should be any mathematical mistakes in my calculation, I just wanted to bring my point across.  Smile
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:04 pm

To be more precise, the $93.33 applies to the breakeven revenue each passenger has to generate on said oneway flight.
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:04 pm

So is jetblue braking even on LGB-JFK for $79 each way?
 
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:30 am

So out of the Big Airlines, who as the lowest CASM's.. Where can I get those figures. Thanks!
 
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:42 am

AASTEW:

I think - repeat think - that the major with the lowest CASM is either AMR or CAL. From memory both are about 9.5 cents.

The information is easily available, but it takes a bit of digging. It is rported in their SEC filings available under Investor Information (or similar) on each airline web site. It's a fairly long document.

Also, in the press release of their quarterly performance, the airlines will usually report their CASM

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/n/airlin.htm

This site collects all the airline press releases, or you can find the press releases on the airline website.

Thye don't always report CASM in their monthly performance releases, though. They tend to save it for the quarterly.

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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:53 am

Very interesting thread! Not necessarily something I routinely ponder, but interesting none the less.



Thanks,

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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:17 am

It was my understanding the the taxes, airport landing/takeoff fees, etc werent counted in the per seat per mile? Since these are not going to the airline why count them?
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RE: What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?

Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:29 am

It was my understanding the the taxes, airport landing/takeoff fees, etc werent counted in the per seat per mile? Since these are not going to the airline why count them?
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The reason why I added them in is that one of the above posters in reply#6 was implying that it was easy to make a profit on the current CASM, so I dropped a little reality into the equation.

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