Delta737
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Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Fri Jan 21, 2000 2:43 am

Here's a question for ya!

Currently, I am a 737 FO but I'm moving back out west so I'm rebidding another aircraft. Here are my choices that are easy commutes for living in PHX:

1. SLC/DFW/LAX 767 with low seniority
2. DFW/SLC 737 with good seniority
3. DFW MD-90 with great seniority

My decision is pretty much already made, but what would you choose and why?

Doug Taylor
Delta 737 FO
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Note: (DFW has the 767,737,727,MD-90 - LAX has the L1011-500, 767, 727 - SLC has the 727,737,737-800, 767)
 
bizjet
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Tough Choice

Fri Jan 21, 2000 2:58 am

Ok, I'm not a pilot and have no experience in this type of stuff, so I'll give you my opinion.

I assume you'll have to retrain for whatever you choose. I guess you do this after you bid for new aircraft type. This might be a factor. A 767 might be harder to retrain for than a 737, which you are already trained on, or a MD-90. Where do you retrain? I think I heard that DL has a center in Miami.

I guess you would have to commute to/from work. A factor might be how easy will it be to commute. I assume you commute by means of jumpseat or empty passenger seat. If all flights to a certain city are full, there may be no backup seat if the jumpseat is not open. I guess you can jumpseat on different airlines, so this might not be much of a problem.

I think the 767 (200 or 300?) would be the neatest plane being a widebody and all, but you suffer in seniority. How important is seniority? What is your current seniority with a 737 MCO? Is it worth it to fly a bigger plane but have to do all the red eyes and other undesireables? I guess you would have less seniority on the 767 because most 767 pilots have more time than you.

Thanks for providing the information for the differnent fleet types out of DFW/LAX/SLC. Can you provide fleet types for the other bases (ATL/CVG/NYC/BOS I think)?

Also a question here. How do you go about commuting to your base city if you don't live there. I know you live in MCO right now so this isn't a consideration. But do you reserve a jumpseat or go standby on a flight to your base? What if you can't get on and miss the flight that you need to pilot? I'll like more info on this.

Great website! Here are some questions that came to my mind, and I hope you can provide some answers to my questions, as I want to be a pilot when I'm older but no little about the day-to-day life about the profession (your website is great and is just about everything I know on pilots!).

Also, after a few people respond, I'd like to here what you have already decided.

Thanks, BizJet
 
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:49 am

1. SLC/DFW/LAX 767 with low seniority
2. DFW/SLC 737 with good seniority
3. DFW MD-90 with great seniority
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Not a pilot either (dispatcher) but here's my 2 cents worth and rationale FWIW...

I'd go with option #2...

Option #3 might have great senority, but since DL has announced plans to phases out this type in the next few years, you're eventually going to have to changes types again.

Option #1 doesn't have great senority, although I'm not versed in you pay rigs to know whether the pro of larger equipment would partially offset the con of lower senority.

Option #2 gives a better senority, and avoids at least 1 (and maybe 2) training events, not to mention the comfort of familairity with the 737. Deadheadings options are there at SLC/DFW on DL, HP, and WN (Love), and even AA (DFW) if you have an agreement with them.

Besides, if end up choosing option #2 and later don't like it, you can then blame Dispatch.... (just kidding!) Cheers!
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
deltairlines
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Fri Jan 21, 2000 5:33 am

I would choose the 737, because of familarity, and because the MD-90's will be gone soon too. Here is some info on DL's fleet listings at BOS, EWR, LGA, and JFK:

BOS:
727-200
727-200 (opb Delta Shuttle)
737-200 (opb Delta Express)
757-200
767-200
767-300
767-300 ER (flights that go to JFK and onto AMS)
MD-88
L-1011

LGA:
727-200
727-200 (DL Shuttle)
757-200
767-200
767-300
MD-88
L-1011
Maybe a few 737's

EWR:
737-800
757-200
MD-88

JFK:
727-200
737-300
757-200
767-200
767-300
767-300 ER
MD-88
MD-11
L-1011

The New York City area airports maybe off a little bit...

Jeff
 
Delta737
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:31 pm

Whoever (well, the first one) guesses my choice will get a @jetcareers.com email alias!

Doug Taylor
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flyaa757
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sat Jan 22, 2000 12:55 am

Currently, there are no 737 flights into JFK/LGA but Express service starts to JFK this spring.

DL737-Whats the pay difference between the 76 and the 73 at DL? Widebody experience is also a great benefit(opportunity cost!)

Regards,
Paul
 
OPNLguy
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Put Me Down For..

Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:03 am

...option #2, 737...
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:04 am

I would guess option #1... the 767.
 
bizjet
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My Guess.

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:43 am

My first post didn't actually include my guess. Well, I have a 33 1/3 percent chance of getting this right...

I doubt is number two because the replies before Doug's all said number 2 and he didn't say they were right. Using that logic, I know have a 50 percent chance. Ok, here I go, wish me luck...!

NUMBER THREE (MD-90)
 
flyguy1
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sat Jan 22, 2000 3:40 pm

I say SLC 767.
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
dc-9-10
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sun Jan 23, 2000 3:08 am

if you live your life in the fast lane go with the Md-90 it will be a nice experence and give you a chance to fly more types of aircraft the 76 and the 73 will be there a while, go with the


Md-90
 
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sun Jan 23, 2000 11:04 am

Out of sentimental feelings for the MD-90, that's what I'd choose. I've heard that it has plenty of power and a great rate of climb. Although I'm not a pilot, my mother is, and I've flown little airplanes lots of times.I have heard that flying the MD-80 is like balancing a garbage truck atop a needle. I'd be attracted by the seniority of the MD-90, although the 767 is a great airplane. You may disagree, but I wish (from a passenger's standpoint) that Delta had bought the 150 MD-90s it at one point had orders and options for.

There is one thing you might be able to tell me about though. It seems like every time I fly on a Delta MD-88 (I live in AL, and always fly Delta) they make hard landings. In '98, there was one in Atlanta that certainly qaulified for carving the pilot's initials into the runway status. I personally prefer the MD-88 over the 737, but at 10:00 PM late one Sunday night, flying into HSV, aboard a 737-300 (which for some reason didn't have a nice of an interior as the MD-88) on a dark and stormy night, that pilot made the smoothest landing I've felt in a while. That's certainly something to ponder.
 
Delta737
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Sun Jan 23, 2000 3:37 pm

Hey!

FLYAA757 - 767 rates for a 3rd year FO pays around $117 per hour compared to $99/hour for the MD-88/90.

MD90 - I'm not sure why it lands a little rougher. maybe not as much dampening on the gear struts and probably something to do with the way the automatic ground spoilers activate after landing.

And the winner is...

Bizjet! I got awarded the MD-88/90 in DFW. Let me know what email address you want!  

They haven't announced my training date so I still have an opportunity to bid LAX 767/727 and/or SLC 767/737 which are my two most suitable bases for a commute to PHX.

I bid the -88/90 for two reasons. First, the aircraft in DFW is going relatively junior and seniority is king in this game. Next, the -88/90 will probably be my first captain seat and upgrades are getting quicker and quicker because of retirements.

For all of you that are wondering, the "seat lock" at Delta is 12 months from the date of the award. A "seat lock" means that you owe 12 months on the new equipment, but you can changes bases with similar aircraft types at will.

Doug Taylor
Delta 737 FO
www.jetcareers.com
 
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Mon Jan 24, 2000 6:07 am

As the son of a pilot, I've got to admit that I like technology in my cockpit. The more the better. If I had a couple of million I'd buy myself a used Beech Starship with no less than 8 primary displays and 6 secondary displays (I think I got the numbers right). So my question, Delta737,

Which cockpit do you prefer? The MD-88, MD-90, 737NG, or 767? I love the MD-88/MD-90 but I really like the 737NG cockpit better.
 
Delta737
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RE: Choosing A New Delta Aircraft/base

Mon Jan 24, 2000 9:19 am

I'd have to say that the 737-NG (-800) has the best cockpit layout of any aircraft I've seen, however the 767 and MD-11 have the best creature comforts.

Doug Taylor
Delta 737 FO
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