Cory6188
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CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:36 am

Is CO planning to do any sort of major Caribbean expansion in the future? It seems as if they have been starting a great deal of new service in the area, with flights to BGI and POS. Apparently they have also filed with DOT to fly to PUJ.

Although I have no true details, it would seem like they might be the largest carrier in the Caribbean after AA. It seems as if there would be no causes for reluctance to expand there - the yields are amazing ($700 roundtrip EWR-STT on average in the Winter) and the flights do not require anything special (i.e. long flights, security, etc.) that would cause them to be expensive to operate. The Caribbean is an extremely popular destination in the New York area considering that flights are only 4-5 hours so you can arrive early afternoon and be home in the evening - no crazy flight times or anything like that.

I think that there would be a market to serve:

St. Lucia
Turks and Caicos
St. Kitts and Nevis
Bonaire/Curacao (maybe a wrap flight)
Guadeloupe/Anguilla (wrap flight as well)

What do you think?
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:45 am

Cory6188
Welcome to the to A.net.

I was wondering what CO's next move in the Caribbean was going to be as well. I'm glad to see that they have filed to fly to PUJ. Good move. IMO I think St. Lucia will be next followed by Turks and Caicos. I am also surprised they didn't get into BGI earlier.

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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:48 am

My hunch is that they are the 2nd biggest, but AA still is much larger. For example, MBJ is served for CO by 73G while AA serves it with A300's. Also are you sure those airports can accommodate flights from EWR?

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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:49 am

US Airways is the second-largest carrier to the Carribean -- they're significantly larger than CO, but still a lot smaller than AA.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:51 am

COEWRNJ, thanks for the welcome. I agree that CO's next expansion would most likely be into St. Lucia.

AA787, when I say second biggest, I meant in terms of destinations served. However, apparently I'm wrong, as I didn't even consider US. Living in northern NJ, its a far haul to Philly and pointless to connect on them from EWR, so I really don't know much about their route network. Where do they fly to that CO doesn't?
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:53 am

Cory6188,

Welcome aboard into the a.net!! So I would like you make join with the each other into the a.net and it would be very good.  Smile
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:56 am

UVF and Turks and Caicos can definitely handle any aircraft CO would want to fly into them. I think UVF even get Virgin 744's from London. Turks and Caicos get a lot of charter service from the US. I've been in terminal B in EWR several times picking people up and on the international arrivals board Turks and Caicos have been on it. I want to say USA 3000 may do charter runs into there.

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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:00 am

For Guadeloupe, if AF can fly there from CDG with an A330, I'm sure that a CO 73G or 738 could manage.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:08 am

It seems to me that anyplace the inept BW flies could use an alternative--
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:15 am

Its strange that CO doesn't have a bigger presence in the Caribbean since they have such a huge market share in central America. I guess part of that is due to the fact they are based in Houston where there is a large central American population. I think they could be profitable on flights to Spanish countries in the Caribbean since NY is full of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and others looking for flights home. The airline that needs to pick it up down south is Delta. With a perfect gateway to the Caribbean in ATL, any passenger can fly from any island to ATL and then to any city in the US.


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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:33 am

Just curious about staffing in the Carribean. As alot of CO's destinations are rather recent, do they hire their own staff locally or are they handled by local ground handling agents?
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:47 am

CO flies charters to Providenciales, St.Lucia and a couple other destinations.

The next routes would most likely be Providenciales, St.Lucia and Grenada.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:50 am

That's a good question. I was at STT in April, and at the CO ticket counter and the gate, some of the employees had Worldwide Flight Services (or some ground handling name similar to that) uniforms with CO nametags, while others had the full CO uniform. I'm not totally sure how that works, although I'd love to know.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:53 am

CO is starting a CLE-Punta Cuna and CLE-Cancun in the summer flying with the 738 or 739 equipment probably.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:00 am

TriJet, what is this info based upon? There has been no news release officially confirming this. If so, why would they do CLE-PUJ and not EWR-PUJ? Do you work for CO?
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:05 am

I bet you the Gross Domestic Product of the Dominican Republic that CO does not start CLE-PUJ this summer. CLE-CUN is a regular seasonal addition.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:06 am

The GDP of the Dominican Republic? Interesting analogy...  Smile
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:09 am

I heard that in some other threads....I don't work for CO, i'm 15.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:10 am

It might have helped had I looked at your profile before posting. Sorry.  Sad
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:26 am

Cory- It's ok and welcome to A.net...... I saw in some other threads that CO is going to fly the CLE-Punta Cuna route. But, there was no official releases. There is an exsisting CLE-CUN route.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:00 am

Cory6188, US flies to quite a few islands in the caribbean, but the majority being weekend only service. Grenada, St Lucia, Antigua, St Kitts gets this weekend service from PHL. St Kitts also gets a weekend flight from CLT. BGI, however gets a dailly flight from PHL. US serves a few other destinations in the northern caribbean including, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Dom. Rep. Montego Bay, Grand Cayman, Providenciales, Nassau and the list goes on. I can't remember all the destinations they serve. AA of course is significantly bigger in terms of service in the caribbean. Quite a lot of islands get jet service from SJU, MIA or JFK, and the rest gets American Eagle service from SJU.

The islands can handle almost any aircraft type. As mentioned, islands like Grenada and St Lucia gets flights from London with VS, BA, charters. Grenada gets Condor service from Frankfurt, all using widebodies such as 744, 772, 767 etc.

I work with the handling company in Grenada that handles most of the airlines that fly into Grenada. The rumour among staff is that CO is planning to start service to GND. Is this true? Can anyone verify this?

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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:34 am

Thank you very much to everyone for your extremely generous welcome to A.net. I enjoy this website very much and have learned many interesting and unusual things here.

On a separate note, how much of a demand is there for flights to GND? I don't commonly hear of it as a popular destination from the New York area - Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Aruba, and the Dominican Republic seem to be the more predominant vacation destinations in our area.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:13 pm

Grenada is doesn't seem to be a very popular destination for Americans in general, though it seems to be slowly, very slowly getting there. Grenada is popular among Europens, we have lots of visitors from England, Germany and other European countries. BA, VS, DE and JN (Excel) all serve Grenada from Europe. Quite a few passengers connect on BW from LHR and MAN via POS.

New York and Grenada is an entirely different story. There alot of Grenadians living in NY, and their "bus" is pimarily Air Jamaica. JM offers non-stop service from JFK to GND 4 times a week, and connections through MBJ 5 times. In the peak season i.e. Jul-Aug, Apr, and Nov-Jan, the JFK service increases to about 5 or 6 depending on the season. BW has connections every day via POS and direct flights 4 times a week in the summer season usually.

Air Canada has started a weekend service to GND from YYZ and their flights have been going great, and are quite full, and they are looking to increasing their presence here.

US Airways has been the only recent incentive for American tourists to fly to Grenada. Their flights, weekend service only have been quite full, nearly everyweek with passengers who seem to be quite delighted to experience the "new" caribbean destination...  Smile

Hey, in the interest of tourism, come check us out..  Smile it is a nice island though if i may say so myself.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:33 pm

Coming back to the original post, there is no way that CO will fly to AXA(Anguilla) because the runway is way too short. I remember there being an issue with Eagle flying ATR-72s instead of ATR-42s a while back... yes the runway is that short. Also, Nevis is not going to accomodate a jet.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:54 pm

Thanks for that explanation - another destination with an extremely small runway is EIS (Tortola). American Eagle can't fly their ATR-72's there - and the ATR-42's are really pushing that runway to the limits. I flew there from STT on 9K, and an Eagle ATR landed right behind us. Believe me, I was scared that thing was going to end up in the ocean at the end of the runway.
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:34 pm

Im surprised Continental hasn''t started a PUJ-EWR service already (its a huge market), and I wouldn't be surprised to see a CLE-PUJ flight as was mentioned before.In the Dominican Republic they fly to Puerto Plata, Santiago, and Santo Domingo, and in Puerto Rico they fly to San Juan from CLE, IAH and EWR they also fly to Aguadilla (which AA dosent even fly to) from EWR. Considering both US Airways and Continental dont have hubs that are as strategically located as AA's (MIA and SJU) they have a prety big operation in the Caribbean.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:38 pm

PUJ is a pretty strong charter market right now. Out of CLE you have 2 different tour operators offering charters here several times a week.
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:03 am

When is there going to be an official CO announcement about EWR-PUJ, other than their DOT filing? Anyone know when the start date is set at as of now?
 
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RE: CO In The Caribbean

Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:53 am

The cle-punta canna has a stop over in iah and vise versa