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Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:38 am

Hi there Airliners.Net,

Just thought il inform you that Emirates has been given approval to commence 3 daily services to Sydney,Australia as of June 2004!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I work at the Airport & cater for the airline so the news is true & I look forward to seeing 3 Emirates A345's on the tarmac at Sydney!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:23 am

Is it 3 daily to SYD or 3 daily to Australia? Because right now the summer schedule shows DXB-SYD-AKL, DXB-SIN-BNE-AKL, DXB-SIN-MEL-AKL, and DXB-PER.
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:06 pm

That was very nice move for EK and make extra flight to SYD during for the summer break.
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:08 pm

You do know there are more cities in Australia then Sydney?

"OZ" = Australia, not Sydney!
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:18 pm

hmm...I wonder if EK would be open and be allowed to fly this new route DXB-BOM-SYD  Big grin ...hehehe wishful thinking aint it!!! But seriously they would mint $$$ of the BOM-SYD-BOM segment because of the lack direct flights between the 2 countries where there is a lot demand!!!

Another 2 routes which may work are DXB-KUL-SYD...only MAS flies KUL-SYD who codeshare with MEA and QR on this route so some competition to MAS here can be provided. And lastly...DXB-DPS-SYD...QF flies the SYD-DPS route but on an old B 767 which has a hopeless product compared to EKs A 345s!!! EK too by flying to DPS (BALI) can get a lot of European-Arab traffic bound for the v popular Indonesian island city.

However overall if they do start a third daily to SYD nonstop from DXB this will only hurt even more of BAs-QFs-SQs-CXs-MASs-TGs etc's market share on European-Middle Eastern-Indian and African flights.
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:36 pm

EK413,

Last I heard Emirates were trying to get a 2nd Sydney flight, let alone approval for a third!!

 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:42 pm

Any word on the proposed DXB-BKK-ADL service?

I think that one of EK's main concerns is its lack of aircraft; the proposed second daily to Birmingham has been delayed, so it may well be short of aircraft (indeed Sheikh Maktoum has said as much). Perhaps they're waiting for more aircraft before they can do this?

I think that as far as SYD is concerned, they are waiting for approval for a second daily, which Australia is apparently reluctant to authorise.

They currently fly 4 flights a day to Australia altogether - daily to each of PER/BNE/MEL/SYD.
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:56 pm

Sebwhite

"Is it 3 daily to SYD or 3 daily to Australia? Because right now the summer schedule shows DXB-SYD-AKL, DXB-SIN-BNE-AKL, DXB-SIN-MEL-AKL, and DXB-PER".

Akumas

"You do know there are more cities in Australia then Sydney"?

"OZ" = Australia, not Sydney!

Sorry guys "Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services to Sydney"!!!

That's what the post should say!!!


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EK413,

"Last I heard Emirates were trying to get a 2nd Sydney flight, let alone approval for a third"!!

Coming from the sources at work it will be 3 flights a day. I remember attending a meeting 2 weeks prior to Emirates commencing their DXB-SYD direct service it was mention that Emirates had a EXTRA 2 daily DXB-SYD services in mind.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy








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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:00 pm

What have they in mind,world domination?
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:13 pm

Behramjee,

Lauda/Austrian Airlines flied between KUL and SYD vv daily with B777-200s. so MAS is not the only one on that route. Additionally, Qantas doesn't fly to Denpasar any more, its their subsidiary Australian Airlines withe their B767-300s.
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:29 pm

Ba319-131

"What have they in mind,world domination"?

From what was said at the presentation meeting at my work it was clearly stated that Emirates wants to go from a "GREAT CARRIER" and become "THE BEST CARRIER IN THE WORLD"!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:35 am

It wouldn't surprise me if they got approval for extra flights to SYD. I read in the Australian Financial Review earlier this week that a favourable decision was expected for Emirates application for additional flights. Furthermore conversations i've had recently with EK flight crew indicate a high degree of internal conviction that extra flights will happen. I understand the decision will be made official at the end of the month with a mid year start. This related to a 2nd daily which would be operated non-stop using A340-500s. The decision to take on the ex AC A340-500s is probably related to starting the extra SYD frequencies. However it doesn't surprise me that Emirates uses its current opportunity to secure a 3rd daily in the future since the long-term plans call for a min. 3-4 daily flights on the trunk routes out DXB.

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:38 pm

Emirates777
It wouldn't surprise me if they got approval for extra flights to SYD. I read in the Australian Financial Review earlier this week that a favourable decision was expected for Emirates application for additional flights. Furthermore conversations i've had recently with EK flight crew indicate a high degree of internal conviction that extra flights will happen. I understand the decision will be made official at the end of the month with a mid year start. This related to a 2nd daily which would be operated non-stop using A340-500s. The decision to take on the ex AC A340-500s is probably related to starting the extra SYD frequencies. However it doesn't surprise me that Emirates uses its current opportunity to secure a 3rd daily in the future since the long-term plans call for a min. 3-4 daily flights on the trunk routes out DXB.

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:49 pm

When did EK decide to buy ACs A 345s???
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:39 pm

Behramjee

"When did EK decide to buy ACs A 345s"???

That's a very good point your making there! I would'nt have a clue???  Confused


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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:46 pm

Wow .. 3 daily services to SYD ..

Emirates is really putting a lot of pressure on the Asian carriers who profit on the kangaroo route .. wonder how are we going to compete with EK when they have it all going so smoothly?

Looks like SQ/MH/CX really need very good reasons to woo the passengers over , with EK dangling such good deals plus excellent connections like luscious lollies in front of regular patrons of the OZ-Europe route.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:08 pm

Think of it this way, if you are flying Emirates the aircraft your flying is BRAND NEW, great in-flight service and you get well looked after!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:12 pm

The flight from SYD to DXB from what I've heard is about 14 hours long. Couldnt a 777-200 make this flight, Continental flies that aircraft non-stop from EWR to HKG which is 16 hours long.

Emirates has had the 772 for quite some time. Why have they not been flying SYD-DXB for years now. Doesnt the 772 carry more PAX than the A345 anyway.
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:37 pm

According to the airbus site the A340-500 is capable of flying 8,650 nautical miles/16,000 kilometers with a full passenger payload AND the B777-200 8,320 nautical miles + correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that B772 is based on a full payload?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I personally prefer 4 over twin operations.....
My WILD guess is that Emirates didn't want to operate with ETOPS?  Confused
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:07 pm

Just adding to my last post the A340-500 passenger payload is based on 313 passengers with 21.9 tonnes of cargo.  Wink/being sarcastic
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Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:00 pm

In the Jan/Feb edition of Australian Aviation magazine, Emirates president & CEO - Tim Clark, stated that EK might consider operating direct flights to Canberra, stating that EK was well known for using non-hub airports, such as Birmingham & Dusseldorf & soon would fly to Glasgow.

EK was lobbying the Australian government for TWO daily flights to Sydney. EK starts its second daily service to Melbourne in June, with the addition of a non-stop A340-500 service from DXB to complement the existing B777-300 service via SIN.

My personal thoughts are that is laughable that EK would want to operate a direct flight to Canberra, maybe as an add-on of a flight to Adelaide or something but not as a stand-alone service, there just wouldn't be a market for it, I would have thought?????? Time will tell though!!

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:40 pm

No flying B777-200 can fly anywhere near 8320 nm.

The longest range highest mtow 777-200er can barely fly 7700nm.

Frequently flying times DXB-SYD can be 16 hours, and DXB is extremely hot and hi, causing the 772 to take weight restrictions. The high thrust 345 can go out full of passengers and cargo every time.

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:01 pm

Still EK413 this post is misleading, it has always been Emirates desire to have more flights to Sydney....

Currently they only have approval for 1 flight!

Lets see how they go getting approval for the 2nd before we think about the 3rd.

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:53 pm

I would imagine EK would not only put pressure on Asian carriers but also on BA/QF. With their network from MAN/GLA/LHR/LGW and other European cities, they can certainly give BA/QF a run for their money!
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:07 pm

Gigneil

No flying B777-200 can fly anywhere near 8320 nm.

The longest range highest mtow 777-200er can barely fly 7700nm.

Frequently flying times DXB-SYD can be 16 hours, and DXB is extremely hot and hi, causing the 772 to take weight restrictions. The high thrust 345 can go out full of passengers and cargo every time.

From what I have read on the B777-200 it has a minimum range of 4,350 nm and maximum range of 8,320 nm. The B777-200X/LR will have a maximum range of 8,860 nm.  Sad

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Still EK413 this post is misleading, it has always been Emirates desire to have more flights to Sydney....

Currently they only have approval for 1 flight!

Lets see how they go getting approval for the 2nd before we think about the 3rd.

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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:37 pm

While I agree that the crucial point as far as EK's nonstops to Australia are concerned, is the departure performance from DXB, the 777-200ER does in fact fly some very long sectors, CO's EWR-HKG/vv being an example.

DXB's main problem is the heat (it's not very high at all, pretty close to sea level) and moreover, EK's current departure time for SYD - 10.30am, rather than, say 2-3am, adds to the performance challenges.

If EK adds ADL, it should also consider CHC. I think CBR will need to wait a bit. I wonder if a 332 could fly into WLG, in which case EK could fly (DXB-xxx-) CBR-WLG. There has to be some considerable potential between the two regional capitals.

Of course, they should start flying to Dublin first!
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:59 pm

Let's remember one thing about Emirates when they began services to Sydney in 2000 they operated a A332 4 times a week, upgraded to a 772,later upgraded to a 773 daily, Auckland services soon followed and now direct Dubai-Sydney services!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:52 pm

with regards to the conditions at DXB - Malaysia Airlines seems to manage to operate its 777-200ERs from DXB to EWR without too many problems except for perhaps a weight restriction.
 
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Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:00 pm

btw - any news of Emirates planned expansion at KUL. They seem to be doing rather well there both with transit traffic (via DXB) and point-to-point since Tourism Malaysia has been quite successful with their campaigns in the Mid-East.

It would be great to see their DXB-KUL-CGK and DXB-DAC-KUL services complimented by DXB-KUL-DPS or DXB-KUL-Oz/NZ


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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:19 am

The big problem for EK seems, at the moment, to be the difficulty in getting aircraft with which to expand. A330-200s are at a premium and it doesn't help that the other expanding Gulf competitor, GF, wants RR powered A330-200s and A340s; QR has already leased some of the Volare A330-200s, so that's the first priority. The demand is certainly there and airlines are in a scramble for whatever aircraft are available.

There are fewer and fewer and while that bodes very well for the manufacturers and the industry, it still impedes growth.

No one expected EK to operate A340-300s, so if A330-300s - even non RR powered aircraft - came onto the market, they might be tempted. Obviously, having just introduced a new engine type (the CFM56), they want to be careful about doing this, but they have a growth schedule to keep up to.

I also wonder if EK has any interest on the 777s Delta says it doesn't want; they are RR powered after all!
 
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RE: Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services To OZ!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:41 pm

Kaitak

I also wonder if EK has any interest on the 777s Delta says it doesn't want; they are RR powered after all!

You made a good point there! Maybe Delta have approached Emirates if they are so desperate to off load these extra 777s.  Big thumbs up
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