lalone
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IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:38 am


IB will look to replace part of its fleet in the near future, mainly:

24 MD 87
13 MD 88
17 BOEING 757
22 AIRBUS A320 (EARLY AC WITH CFM56-5A1 ENGINES)

and although Airbus A320 Family is the most likely ac that will replace the above mentioned Boeing 737 NG could be a possibility so as not to have 1 only ac supplier for all the fleet....and though my last thread was critiziced by people who thought I wanted to trash Airbus in favour of Boeing I will emphasize that A340-600 is still not performing as planned,although dispt reliabilty has improved over the past weeks. It remains to be seen if IB will stick to the A340-600.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:52 am

Uh....EADS CASA is partner of Airbus.
Spain will stick to bus.
I do understand that Boeing apologized over the 773 fiasco...but I'm not sure how.
Anybody know?

Interestingly, EADS CASA makes some composite parts for Boeing--small world.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:28 am

well AEROSPATIALE is FRENCH a mayor partner in EADS and AF does not rely ONLY on Airbus for its fleet it has a good amount of Boeing AC, and so does BA, while British Aerospace is another main partner in EADS. The only Airline besides IB that has turned its back on Boeing lately seems to be LH.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:31 am

Even SWISS has turned its back on BOEING as has AER LINGUS-EASY JET and BMI.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:31 am

The only Airline besides IB that has turned its back on Boeing lately seems to be LH.

*cough* SA & U2! *cough cough*

 Angry
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lalone
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:49 am


I was referring to an airline belonging to a country with major stakes in EADS.

It is true that most European airlines have selected Airbus over Boeing for it short haul fleet: IB,AF,BA,LH,SW,AZ,TP,BMI,JKK. Only KLM, SAS, AEA, and a few other are flying 737, but on the long haul business it is a different story BA, KLM, AZ, AF have a strong fleet of B 777 or B 7474 while IB, LH, SAS, TP have chosen the A330/ A340.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:08 am

Lalone ¡Cuánto tiempo!....
How is the weather now in Everett? Cold,isn't? And the same for Boeing's shares?  Big grin Sorry for you,but IB will continue like an Airbus' customer for many years.Ah...The chance to see the B-737NG into IB's fleet is the same than FC. Barcelona has in to be the next football/soccer champion in the Spanish national league.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:26 am

You think they'll try to bullshit Boeing into bidding for the sale again? That'd be interesting. I think IB played Boeing for fools for the last time and they'll pay top dollar from now on as Airbus will know better than fall for the same trap again as well.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:52 am

Unless the so-called "airlines" look past alliances, (ie EU, EADS, etc...) they'll be killing themselves from the inside. AF is doing great despite their influences from Airbus. Everything else, I'll leave it up to the true experts, and not the "experts." Iberia, I laugh at them.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:25 am

"THEY'LL BE KILLING THEMSELVES FROM THE INSIDE".... Can you explain this? I can't understand.And why IB is "funny" for you?Why do you laugh of them?
Just because IB is an Airbus customer and doesn't buy Boeing like AF?
Please, be more serious "Future Aeroespace Engineer"
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:31 am

I don't see Boeing making much effort to get a sale here either....they got played for fools by Iberia. I think Airbus can rest assured that it will get Iberia's next airplane order.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:47 am

What 773 fiasco?

There have been reports that IB is not happy with the 346 but no indication whether they are reviewing their commitment to the aircraft. If so, this would give the 773 another chance.

As for the M87/M88....there is no rush need to replace them altho the 319/320 seems the most logical choice. Dont know if the 717 has a chance.



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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:53 am

Haha... A B717? "Mr. Iberia" expert(s) here say no way Boeing!!! According to Iberia, Boeing sucks... Boeing aircrafts do not fit Iberia's fleet.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:00 pm


As said before this will probably bee IB fleet in the near future:

24 MD87 REPLACED BY A319
13 MD88 REPLACED BY A320
17 B757 REPLACED BY A321 that means that IB would have a fleet of

28 A319 / 70 A320 / 25 A321 for a total of 123 A319/320/321 however due to the conditions of the merger of former domestic airline AVIACO, their pilots must fly a separate fleet from IB that is why the B 737NG comes into place, although the A320 family seems more logical. The long range fleet will be
18 A340-300
12 A340-600
but once again lets see what happens with the 340-600. By 2006 the old 747 is meant to be history.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:13 pm


By the way Anxebla you seem to be cousin of Mr Foreguard Airbus CEO...but as of me I am only a pilot who has flown both planes, and I express my opinion. I don´t have shares in Boeing, and neither in Airbus (EADS) but I am objective and I recognize Airbus products to be superior to Boeing in some cases (A320 vs B737) (A330vsB767) and not in others (B777vsA340) and I wished IB had a dual fleet, because it is too strongly tied to Airbus and it is not a clever financial bet. No operator of the size of IB has an all manufacturer fleet. Imagine if Boeing of Airbus decided to increase 25% the price of spare parts or if one of Airbus or Boeing planes had to be grounded because of a major failure (it has happened before with other planes) if your whole fleet relies on one model you could ground your airline, is that clever? NO.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:21 pm

Anxebla, don't underestimate me. Though you may think I may be young and naive, but don't play me out as a fool. Unlike yourself, I critique instead of being biased. I have an open mind, and don't judge according to what is given. "Future Aerospace Engineers" don't always think logical. We have to be creative as well. If you understood what I have just said, you should then understand why "I laugh at Iberia."
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:36 pm

>>due to the conditions of the merger of former domestic airline AVIACO, their pilots must fly a separate fleet from IB<<

Lalone, could you be more specific? How long into the future are those conditions supposed to be valid? This is quite an interesting point.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:59 pm

I think that IB should consider the B717 in their fleet, when they take out the MD's.

Replacing those MD's with 717's would help the 717 program.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:00 pm

Hey lalone, do you know why they are taking one of the A319's here in MIA to MAD?, I heard it was maintanence.

For a week we will be flying an A320 (until the A319 comes back), using it for the SJO flights.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:41 am

B752:

Yes, most likely for maitenance! Even the babybuses need to go to Madrid from time to time for maintenance. Hey..if you can...take a pic of the A320 in Miami...I would love to see a pic of the A320 there! What registration is there?

Actually...B752...I just checked...and the A319's are not going to Madrid for maintenance...they are having their C checks done by TACA..where? Im not sure. All 4 A319's are scheduled...so you will have the A320 down there in Miami until the end of the month!

[Edited 2004-02-09 16:50:47]
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:31 am

Lalone:
To be cousin of Airbus CEO...umm, it sound very well.
By the way...I'm a humble airport worker who seem to Know more than a A-320's pilot.Do you remember your previous topic...you said IB's oldest A343 has a poor performance and it's worst year per year.This you say,is NOT true.
The oldest A340-300 (GGS) continue in service to airports like BOG.
The Airbus A340-300 is and has been a very good aircraft for IB and IB is and has been very happy with them (Like SAS,LH,LA,CX,Royal Jordanian etc etc..)
I have my sources...the mechanic and engineers of maintenance at Madrid-Barajas airport.
You say too:"I WISHED IB HAS A DUAL FLEET,BECAUSE IT'S TOO STRONGLY TIED TO AIRBUSAND IT IS NOT A CLEVER FINANCIAL BET.NO OPERATOR OF THE SIZE OF IB HAS ON ALL MANUFACTURER FLEET"
What about Delta and Continental airlines??? For your info, both airlines are ALL BOEING operators.
In the past (just 10 years ago) IB had MANY types of planes (DC-9/10,B-727/747/757 and Airbus A-300/320) EVEN for a short time 737-300 and 767.
IB's maintenance mechanics was...  Nuts with this "DUAL" fleet.IB was called "the little IATA"
To have many types of planes no help to saving maintenance costs.
And what about your "PILOTS (Aviaco) MUST FLY A SEPARATE FLEET FROM IB THAT IS WHY THE B737NG COMES INTO PLACE" I remember said for you:"I RECOGNIZE AIRBUS PRODUCTS TO BE SUPERIOR TO BOEING IN SOME CASES
(A320 vs B737, A330 vs B767)" Then...WHY ex-AO pilots MUST fly a separate fleet from IB???? As well as AO now is History,AO NEVER was an 737 customer/operator.
Well...this happen for to mistake and to mix differents concepts (like we say in Spanish:por confundir la velocidad con el tocino...a literal translation into Eng can be "for to mistake speed with fatty pork")
And ONE MORE TIME:Which are your sources??? You seem to Know of ALL about Iberia and you seem haven't got any source.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:06 am

Kalakaua:
I don't understimate you.But really I can't understand your point of view.You must be more clear.Remember eng. language is not my mother tongue.
By the way...thank you very much for your info about Vietnam Airlines  Smile
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:17 am

TACA maintanance base is in SAL. It's called AEROMAN. I saw a couple of AeroLineas Argentinas 737-200 the last time I was there.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:20 am


Anexbla I don´t know what kind of work you do at the airport but don´t talk about what you dont have a clue about. I will not expose confidential information in this forum but I can assure you that engine performance degradation has been a real and costly problem in IB A340-300 fleet....that doesn´t mean that the ac can´t fly they are perfectly fit to fly but have required heavier and costly maintenance ..and how many A340-600 flights have been cancelled because of AOG? Many more than IB would want.....so don´t give me lessons on flying or aircraft, I should know better than a mere bagagge loader, truck driver or whoever you are...and it is true in the past IB had lots of ac models in its fleet but there is a halfway between that and having just one model...having said that I will not want to discuss anything else with you.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:36 am

What Kind of confidential info could you have? Are you a pilot or IB's CEO? I don't believe nothing about you and your infos (confidential or not).



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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:04 am

Anxebla, you show those pilots who is boss !

 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:06 am

Well, if Anxebla ever gets run over by a 320 while replacing runway lights at MAD I think we'll have a prime suspect.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:23 am

Hi there,

In the past, many airlines just had Boeing fleet.

737.707.727.

It was not a problem as far as I know.

IB , AF LH and many more have chosen Airbus for short haul.

These planes have shown great qualities, I don't see what's wrong.

The choice has nothing to see with politics (believe me, if BA has chosen Airbus).

Bye,

Nick


 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:41 am

funny this concern about an all 'bus fleet that would destroy companies from the inside...at the time (not so long ago) when airlines had 90% seattle metal equipment rate, nobody cared!!!!
in AF case, and put aside the GE engine preference, the company is insisting in saying the 777 is a wonderfull piece of machinery as the A320 series are in their respective segment

sorry not to have followed but what was the "incident" making IB not buy the 777?
well, don't tell me CASA making the fin or the doors of the A346, because Aerospatiale is assembling the 'bus and it didn't influence AF  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:42 am

Does anyone know if IB has considered/is considering the A332? This would be perfect for smaller destinations in the Caribbean, Central America and the north of South America or be able to offer frequency over the A343.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:58 am

Why don't they move their 319's from MIA to MAD and replace them with 73G? They could then share maintenance with AA. I don't know if this is possible, but it seems stupid to send a narrowbody from MIA to MAD just for maintenance.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:07 am

stupid to send a narrowbody from MIA to MAD just for maintenance.

I belive thet Iberia's Maintence is done in El Salvador by the AEROMAN division of Grupo TACA.

http://www.taca.com/eng/waer/waeraer.asp

Spanish only

http://www.lahora.com.gt/03/02/17/paginas/nac_3.htm#n3

Says that IB 4 A319's and 2 A320 (brought in from Madrid) underwent a C check in El Salvador.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:12 am

No for the moment,Motorhussy.IB's destinations with A-343 to S.America/Miami are always full (ocupation ratio between 70-100%) If you someday take an IB flight you could to check it for yourself.
And for CentralAmerica for the moment,there are the A-319 with MIA-hub.
Note IB has one of smallest configuration/accommodation pax (249 pax in A343) Now, with the "merge" first-business class this can to change.
Within a few years,an aircraft like A-330 can be good for some routes (in two classes arrangement)
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:17 am

¡Hola Anxebla!

I did not know that IB served Central and the Caribbean from the Miami hub. Makes sense!

Gracias
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:48 am

Oh, so they are going to take them to SAL.

So not MAD, ohh I thought so, since they told me that they take them to MAD, since their maintanence base is there. It makes more sense since they dont have to do those stops in order to get from MAD to MIA.

Iberia340600, for one month? How cool, that means that the SJO flight will have more seats (thats the one that leaves full).

I will try to take a picture, I contact you by then, by the way, they are already flying it:

Airline Iberia Airlines - Spain
Flight Number 6173
Departure City (Airport) Miami, FL (MIA)
Departure Time 02/09/2004 05:45 PM
Arrival City (Airport) San Jose, Costa Rica (MROC)
Arrival Time 02/09/2004 07:14 PM
Remaining Flight Time 02:07
Aircraft Type Airbus A320
Current Altitude 27,800 feet
Current Groundspeed 531 mph
Flight Status In Flight


[Edited 2004-02-10 00:56:48]
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:14 pm

B752:

Yes...today was the first flight of the A320 from MIA to SJO! Whats the registration? I didnt get a chance to look at it today in our system.

The A319's will be in El Salvador each for one week so the A320 will be on rotation until they have all undergone their C check.

Hopefully some spotters will be able to get pics of the A320 and post it here on a.net!

Motorhussy....FYI....IB really isnt a fan of flying twin engine jets over the Atlantic...one of the reasons the A340-600 has been chosen to replace the B747's.

Oh...and once again Lalone....the IB MD87/88 fleet still has a few years left in them so there will be no replacement in the "short term"....in the long term...say...by 2010...I would expect them to be replaced by the A320 family...it just makes more sense. Also, by the way, there is no diferentiation between ex-Aviaco pilots and IB pilots...they have been fully integrated into the base....THERE IS NO STIPULATION that requires them to fly a seperate fleet. Thank you.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:58 pm

Accoding to justplanes.com, IB will lease 2 Airbus A330-200s from TAM with delivery scheduled in Jun04.

Iberia will replace an Airbus A340 on its daily Madrid to Havana route with one of those Airbus A330s effective on 28Jun04.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:14 pm

Jopavan,

You beat me to it, I just read that too on the "alternative" site!

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:23 pm

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Play Boeing twice, shame on us (boeing).
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:11 am

Iberia340600,

The registration is EC-IEF "Castillo de Loarre".

That a/c is younger than the A319's that IB has down here.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:22 am

There is any chance to see that IB A320 here in Panama City??

Best Regards,

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:16 am

I dont think so felipe, sorry.

All of the MIA mini hub flights to Central america have been sold as A319.

But sometimes we have some problems with the SJO flights since sometimes all the pax show up a and we have to reroute them to other carriers, being over sold most of the time the SJO flights for IB are one of the most money makers.

The A320 while it stays at MIA will fly to SJO, but anyways I will contact you in the event of any change or probably they bring another one.

Regards...
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:06 pm

In my opinion MD 87/88 and old A320 fleet will be sobsituited by new A32S.
In particular long range MD88 used on some medium houl route will be well sobstituited by A319 with better range performance. In the IB fleet probably A318 will find a place to sobstitute old MD87 and opening some medium haul route in the midle east.
Long range fleet is well buil on 34oS.

I've only some doubt on 757 replacement. Probably a mix of A321 and A330 will be good to cover shorth haul high pax services and medium-long flight.

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:14 pm

I seem to recall an episode when IB had ordered A321 aircraft (possibly to replace the 757's), but their pilots' union refused to consider the A321 as the same type as the A320 and insisted that it be treated as a separate type (despite 100% cockpit commonality with IB's existing fleet). So the A321's were canned - does anybody else remember this ?
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:23 pm

Iberia have a number of 321s now.I thought they were planned to replace the 757 over the next few years.
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:48 pm

JGPH1A,

I recall something about this too, I think they wanted a salary increase as they would be flying a "heavier" plane of the same family or something like that... I wonder if they got a salary reduction when IB introduced the A319 Big grin

But that's the way the tale was told me, don't quote me on it..

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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:26 pm

"I wonder if they got a salary reduction when IB introduced the A319"

I dont think so, IB only operates the A319 in MIA (4 in total), and from what I heard they get more or less the same salary as an A320 pilot in MAD.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:02 pm

On an other topics I've read of A332 ex TAM used by IB.

I think that it will be a great aurcraft for many atlantic route and to replace A340 on medium route.( for instance one time I flew from MAD to Tenerufe on a A340, and it's usually scheduled on hot season).

bie
 
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:17 pm

"think that it will be a great aurcraft for many atlantic route and to replace A340 on medium route.( for instance one time I flew from MAD to Tenerufe on a A340, and it's usually scheduled on hot season)."

IB uses their 747's, A340's to TFN, TFS and most recently to LHR on their "down times", thats when the aircraft will mostly depart by the late night hours in MAD, to depart to EZE, SCL, JNB and many other places, rather than having the a/c sit in a hangar the whole day, they send it to Tenerife and some other inter europe destinations.
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RE: IB Fleet Renewal Program

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:49 pm

JGPH1A:

You are right...there was an issue with the pilots union and commonality in flying the 319/320/321. IB was ready to scrap the A321's but IB and the union finally came to an agreement and the A321's stayed.

We currently received our latest A321 bring the current total to 7 or 8(I have to double check).
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