thaigold
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SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:36 pm

Gday

I was just wondering if it would be possible with a slightly modified 340-500 or 777-200LR (or other plane) to fly direct from SYD to Europe and if it would be a profitable routing? I know that it would be a 20+ hour flight but still believe that it could have some potential. I fly the route a few times a year and don't think it would bother me too much as I HATE the time wasted in between the connecting flights.....

Is it possible now or in the near future??

Thanks!
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Sonic
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:42 pm

Vilnius-Sydney is possible in theory (with Boeing 747SP). However, it doesn't seems such route would be very popular unless it would be advertised in western Europe as a good way to reach Sydney (via Vilnius).
If Vilnius-Sydney is possible, than Moscow-Sydney, Athens-Sydney, etc. should be as well. However, no direct flights from major cities such as London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam or Paris would be possible with equipment available nowadays.
I am not sure however werether flight such long would be permitted (some aviation authorities, I am not sure here about the Lithuanian one, does limit the maximum flighttime).
And I also hate the time wasted waiting for connections, by the way.
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:52 pm

There is already direct flights. They are defined as using the same aircraft from the point of departure to stated point of arrival even if having to make tech or refueling stops.

If you mean a Non-stop flight then not yet but maybe in the future. Regarding profitaility then you never know. Either you can fly 20hrs non-stop for £1000 or with GF from LHR to SYD with 2 stops in which you can strech your legs for £489 rtn. What would people go for???? For an extra 4 hrs id take the stops

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:12 pm

Sonic

I flew SYD - DXB - LGW on the same aircraft (345), so I have flown direct Sydney - London but not non-stop....right? However, it was on two tickets, so does that still make it direct?

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:21 pm

I don't understand why so-called aviation enthuasists don't like flying via other places when they have the time available, and thereby seeing the local aviation. Seems very odd to me.
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:01 pm

Pe@rson, there are several reasons for this. The first is delays and a chance to miss your second flight (this is especially bad if you have connecting flight of other airline). Secondlty, there are long waiting times. Sometimes they are like 10 hours or so. There is not much you can do for this time at the airports - some of which doesn't has good views to runways, by the way. Also, all these "hubs" makes the overall journey longer. There may be "better" enthusiasts than I am, but for me it is hard to concentrate on planes after 24 hours of flying/waiting at airports (e.g. Vilnius-Frankfurt-Madrid-Santiago flight I did).
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:21 pm

Pe@rson you're right... As an enthusiast I would rather choose a multi-stop routing if I had to fly for a long time (hope I will be able one day !!!) but I understand it would interest some people for many reasons...
Would love to fly to A345 leadership SIN-LAX but would also enjoy a stopover in Japan with a regular flight  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Pe@rson
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:44 pm

"The first is delays and a chance to miss your second flight."

Indeed, but if you're flexible enough you can time your flights so as to give yourself the maximum time between flights.

"Secondlty, there are long waiting times."

Indeed, but if you're a spotter or photographer or both then that can, of course, be very productive.

Ah well, each to their own.

I personally will always fly via as many places as possible instead of going for a non-stop service, presuming the option is available. For example, instead of flying LHR-SIN-LHR in November 2003, I flew LHR-MLE-CMB-K UL-SIN-CMB-LHR. Yes, I had long times between connecting (9-13 hours), but by gum it was well worth it - and the airfare was cheaper than what it would have cost to have flown non-stop.  Smile
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:37 am

ANA,

Thats right you have flown direct from SYD but not non-stop. If you have a stop for a few days or change aircraft then thats not a direct service. Did you have 2 boarding cards?????? If thats the case then maybe. I flew from LHR to BOS via KEF but had to change planes. while when i went to SYD from MAN and LHR I only got a transit card.

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:58 am

With either the A345 or 777LR, it would be possible to fly to anywhere in Europe from PER. From SYD or MEL, you'd only be able to reach Talinin, Vilnius, St Petersburg or Moscow (of the majors) and I can't see a great commercial demand for this.
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:09 am

That's not exactly true...

772LR is expected to be able to op MEL/SYD-FCO, and a few other southern Europe destinations as well.

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:11 am

I think LHR-SYD non-stop could be possible fairly soon on a revenue flight. The 777-200LR--probably with uprated GE90 engines to carry even more fuel than now--could have a range of around 9,500 nautical miles, more than enough to fly this route non-stop if the plane is configured similarly to what SQ did with their A340-500's.
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:19 am

I think everyone is forgetting the Northern oneworld hub, Helsinki. Wouldn't it be great if Finnair got a few A345s to fly HEL-SYD/MEL with connections to major European cities. They could codeshare with oneworld partners Qantas, British Airways and Iberia. Personally I think it could work, but I doubt it will come into fruition at least as long as Finnair's M11 fettish continues  Big grin
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:26 pm

Well it might not be planned yet but I'm sure if SIA is successful with their SIN-LAX/NYC routes we will see a lot of new ultra long range flights.

I would just love to go straight to Europe from Australia.......
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:14 am

the question is... would the incentive be enough for the majors to introduce nonstop service.

Take AA/QF for example... they make considerable bank on their SIN stopovers in the Kangaroo route. If any one of them (not to mention all BOTH of 'em) took up a premium-passenger nonstop, it would trash the yields on their remaining 1stops.

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:39 am

If possible, I wonder how many people will collapse on arrival due to Deep Vain Trombosis...
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:45 am

Re nonstops by AY from HEL

AY would no doubt try and squodge in at least 9 seats abreast on the A340-500, and everyone flying nonstop to SYD would die of DVT or suffocation before they got halfway.
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:57 am

It has been done. But as a delivery flight. Qantas A330-200,
Tolouse>Melbourne i think. Non stop a little over 20hrs.
But obviously no pax or luggage etc.
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:00 am

What's the range of the 7E7 going to be? I've heard that it should be able to do London - Perth, but London - Sydney... don't know. Anyways, as Sonic said above, in theory a flight from Europe to SYD would be possible but I doubt if it would be very profitable when starting from VNO or SVO.

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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:07 am

According to Boeing website, 7E7 range will be 14500 km, 7E7SR - 6500 km and 7E7 Stretch - 15400 km .
Of course it could and probably will change as the time passes.
 
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RE: SYD-Europe Direct Flight? Possible?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:14 am

It means that:
The farthest destinations out of Sydney for 7E7SR will be Jakarta, French Polynesia
For 7E7 - Tel Aviv, New Orleans, Sao Paulo, Panama City, Brazaville
For 7E7 Stretch - Tallin, Istanbul, Lagos, Caracas, Detroit

Here you can see the map of all three ranges shown from Sydney:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=&RANGE=14500km@SYD%2C+6500km@SYD%2C+15400km@SYD%0D%0A&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=outline&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

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