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What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:03 am

TWA's 767-200's are aging! Are they buying more 763's, or will they get some 777's or A330/340's?


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RE: %%%What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?%%%

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:13 am

Well, they cancelled their order for the A330 for some A320s. Wonder if they will consider in the future the 767-400 or 777?
 
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TWA's Widebody Fleet Plans

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:31 am

With the cancellation of the TWA A330 contracts you can expect the following for TWA's long haul fleet.

767-300er's will continue to arrive on property when good deals and need neccessitate.

777/A330/A340 are out of the question and not likely

767-200 will be around for a bit and replaced when economically viable with either 767-300er's or 757-300's

expect continued use of 757-200's on long thin routes where there is not enough high yield traffic to generate loads to justify the 767-300'ers or 767-200s'

Realize that TWA likes the PW series engines and they can be harder to find than the other types. TWA has purchased the last several 767-300er's on the used market (average 2-5 years old). ILFC, Polaris and Kawalsaki leasing are all interested in new aircraft acquisition by TWA.. (apparently S.A.L.E. may be too but it is unsubstantiated.)

according to some in our office we are being approched ref. A sale leaseback of two 3 year old 767-300'ers with PW engines for TWA see other post for details.) These are the deals we like as TWA has been rather shrewd with the price they are willing to pay on them and is a large operator of the 767 and PW engine/airframe combo. The aircraft would need to go thru a D check and refit before entering service with TWA in Q3 of 2000.

Also expect to see an announcement shortly on two new routes

STL-FRA with a 767
STL-KOA with a 757

other TWA news of interest

expect some increased RJ city announcements

AVL, GPT, PNS, DLH, FAY, PIA, CHS, GSP, GRR, LAN, AKR, are all shortlisted

I would also expect to see more of the NW traditional routes along the Minnesota, North/South Dakota, Iowa, Wisconsin area all taking some new service within the net several months

And if Asia continues to see and increase in economic health let's not forget the dormant STL-NRT route

Finally, expect announcements of new code share services within Europe and the Western US before to long.
 
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Left These Out Too... Sorry

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:34 am

Also look for Provencales in the caribbean and Montreal at some point soon.

Finally, I know there will be more caribbean expansion but, haven't heard where... Anyone know?
 
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RE: TWA's Widebody Fleet Plans

Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:47 pm

This is not a flame.  


Why does everyone seem to think that TWA will go for 753s? I seriously doubt that TWA while having 767s in its fleet would go for the super-cramped 753, nor would any other major US airline. Its not a very good fit, especially since they can replace the 762s they have with new 762s if they so desire. Yes, world, Boeing still makes 762s. Continental is about to receive a few.
 
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RE: TWA's Widebody Fleet Plans

Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:12 pm

The reason everyone thinks TWA is interested in the 757-300 is because. Compton made a statement to the media and TWA issued a press release to that fact. Therefore... If TWA says they are interested people tend to accept the fact that they are interested. This one isn't your normal rumor... TWA has publically stated they are looking at the 757-300 to replace some of their 767-200's
 
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Yuck.

Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:24 pm

Well, That's a whole nother can of beans then!

TWA and the 753. Yuck. Glad I'm a US Airways man.
 
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RE: Yuck.

Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:28 pm

Say what you want.. I wouldn't brag to much about US Airways (U). They seem to be having more than their share of operational and labor troubles not to mention as several previous threads have brought up a very high CASM.

I would rather fly a 757-300 coast to coast then a USAir 737-300... JMHO
 
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RE: Yuck.

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:16 am

I would also love to see a 757-300 in TWA. How can you say yuck when the 757 is probably one of the sweetest looking planes along with TWA's paint job. USairways colors are kinda dark and gloomy. I still like the airline but I would rather fly TWA anyday.
 
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753's, Oh Please!

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:21 am

I don't know about everybody else, but I get kind of antsy taking off in any airliner with a tailskid.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:52 am

If Icahn were still running the show, he'd be trying to replace the TriStars by finding a deal on some second-hand IL-86s  
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
 
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RE: Yuck.

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:57 am

This probably belongs on another thread, but, don't believe everything you hear on this board. The operational difficulties are gone. TWA currently has as more labor issues than US has (and so do other airlines like NW), and high CASM is based on having their bread and butter in the northeast where it is expensive to fly. BTW, they make a killing off of those expensive to operate flights because there is that much market for them, and they serve it very well. Forget the CASM, it's misleading.

Now, as for the 753. If given the choice to fly a 753 when everyone else on that route would be flying widebodies, you bet your gerbil I'll take the widebody anyday. Two aisles are just so much more comfortable when there are that many people on board. The 753 was designed for charters really, or airlines with no intentions of putting 767s in their fleet. Its kind of silly to put 753 in your fleet and still have 762s.

BTW, US does not fly 737-300s coast to coast. It's all 757-200 (a very remarkable plane) and 319/320. If you've flown them in recent years, you'd brag too.  
 
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RE:

Sat Jan 22, 2000 6:25 am



Acvitale,
I agree that i'd rather fly c-to-c on a 753, rather than a 733...BUT, TWA flies MD-80's, from STL to: SEA, PDX, LAX, SFO, PHX, etc. I am a TWA fan, but it's not just USAirways that flies c-to-c on "small" aircraft!



Will they ever be interested in some 744's?




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RE: RE:

Sat Jan 22, 2000 7:43 am

I would not think that you will see any TWA 744's in the near future (ie net 5 years... As I have said the largest aircraft I see TWA flying is the 767-300ER for the net at least 4 years.

(If you want a TW flight number on a 744 use the codeshare RAM flight to CAS....) (Just an attempt at humor)

Comment on TW vs US labor. I would say that TW has far fewer labor issues than US...

Also flew SEA-PIT on a US 737 last year.... Hence the comment...
 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:02 am

Wonder if TWA will consider also in the future the new Rolls Royce Trent powered A340-500/600 for their long-haul routes? Almost all of TWA's aircraft were powered by P&W or Rolls Royce (L-1011). Didn't they cancel the order for Rolls Royce Trent powered A330s? I think the only GE powered plane they had was the Convair 880.
 
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TW And US

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:31 am

US currently has resolved all labor issues except for the FAs. My info may be correct, but isn't TW facing issues with its pilots and FAs?

And as I said, US no longer flies 737s transcon. There are about 30 319s in the fleet that handle almost all the transcons not done on 757s.
 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:37 am

TWA did in fact cancel the A330/RR order this week.

TWA flies DC-9/727/MD80 JT8D series engines (PW)
TWA flies 757/767 PW 2040 series (PW)
TWA will fly 717 with BMW/RR engines
I am not sure which engine TWA will fly A318/320 series with. I will check and post it later...

But from what patterns are listed above one can assertain TWA likes the PW engine family. I would expect that they will continue that trend in the future until an overwhelming argument can be made for changing engine types.
 
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Help Me Out!

Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:37 am

What is CASM?

Thanks!
 
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TWA A318/A320 Powerplamt

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:02 pm

I rekon if TWA choses IAE V2500s for the A320 they will use PW engines on the A318. If they choose the CFM56 it will power all the Airbuses!

PW have a big share in the V2500, as have RR, so I'd go for PW and IAE. TWA seems to prefer PW and RR to GE!

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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:15 pm

Can they even afford new planes?
 
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Casm Rasm And The Rest

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:16 pm

CASM=Cost (per) Avail. Seat Mile
RASM=Revenue (per) Avail. Seat Mile
Yield=How much money you make for each avg. mile you fly someone

Obviously airlines like low CASM high RASM and high Yields...

It gets ugly when they have High CASM low RASM and bad Yields....


 
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Casm

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:22 pm

I think it stands for Cost per Available Seat Mile. (Rhymes with spasm.  ) It's basically how much the airline spends to operate its flights averaged out over how many seats and how far the airline flies.

So, when you hear that US spends 12c, while Southwest spends 7c, that's what they're talking about that Southwest has a lower CASM, and US has one of the highest. What they fail to see is that the cost is much more than just how much you pay your workers. Flying in the southwest is relatively inexpensive with landing fees and weather being particularly nice. The northeast where US does most of it's flying is a very expensive place to operate. However, the markets are some of the best in the country, and what people fail to realize is that US Airways also has the highest revenues per available seat mile(RASM), while Southwest is more average.
 
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TWA's Widebody Plans

Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:40 am

When discussing TWA's widebody plans, you'll have separate short-term from long-term planning.

TWA used to own the B767-200s, which are now around 16 yrs old. This means they still have a good resale value. For that reason TWA sold 5 of the 200s to a leasing company (GECAS) last year. For the time being they have been leased back, but they will be returned to that leasing company shortly (actually, two have left the fleet already, the other three will follow soon). They will be converted to freighters and then fly for Airborne Express. In return TWA has leased three vintage B767-300 from GECAS and a brand-new one from ILFC, bringing the total to eight a/c in the fleet. So, until now old B767-200s have been replaced with newer -300s. In addition, the B757 flies some routes previously served with B767-200. TWA plans to retire the remaining 767-200s within the next year or two. On long-haul flights they will be replaced with more B767-300. I can confirm that TWA has reserved two additional tail numbers for B767-300 aircraft in 2000. On shorter routes (domestic and Caribbean) the ideal replacement would indeed be the B757-300 - there is no other 250-seater, which is cheaper to operate. For flights of four or five hours, a narrowbody is very reasonable. And unlike the 737, the 757 has several large doors in midcabin, and hence extra space for passengers to walk about.

In the longer term, TWA plans to acquire larger widebodies. These may be either B777 or A330/340. Thus far, TWA has only canceled the firm delivery positions for 10 A330-300 in 2001/2. This doesn't mean AI aircraft won't be considered in the future. These studies are still ongoing at the planning department.

Acvitale - you have obviously a lot to say. You may wanna take a look at two other message boards dedicated to TWA:

http://www.planebusiness.com
(follow the link to the discussion boards, and then to TWA)

and the Yahoo! TWA board.

http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=topics&board=7084321&sid=7084321&type=r

A lot of TWA employees, investors, and customers post there, and you would have a lot to contribute. What's nice about these boards is that a thread doesn't fall into oblivion within 24 hours.
 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:56 am

Unfortunately, anyone would be able to replace this
old good TriStar ! ! !

 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Tue Jan 25, 2000 11:17 am

The A318's will be powered by P&W 6000 series engines
 
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RE: What Will Be TWA's New Widebody?

Wed Jan 26, 2000 9:57 am

I have had several talks with persons at TWA Mgmt. regarding the long term outlook on the fleet.

The word I got is as follows:

expect additional short term lease announcements on the 717 as the airline is anxious to get rid of the DC-9-30's

expect additional used MD82/83 to replace 727's (12 total from AS)

expect 767-300ER (PW powered only, used aircraft) to be announced for delivery Q4 of 2000 and Q2 of 2001 (In addition to 2 for Q3 2000)

The 757-300 is something they are looking at but it would be used to grow capacity as well as replace possibly 2 767-200's (JFK-LIS) and to caribbean routes from JFK (SDQ / SJU maybe)

expect announced retirement of up to 6 767-200's

if Asian economy continues to improve a 767-200ER on a short term (1-2 year lease) for NRT

No plans for A330/340 no plans for 777 no plans for A319/320/321 aircraft at this time

Hope it helps

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