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AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:33 am

I will be flying DCA-MIA-CUN on AA (1st Class) in March. However, my MIA-CUN legs are actually termed "Business," even though it is a two-class 757. I have had friends who have flown this "Business" class to ACA as well, and they say the seating is about the same as "First," the meal service may be a bit different.

My question: why is this termed "Business" instead of "First?" I've heard that some Latin American countries tax "First Class" differently due to its connotations, and that since it is a leisure destination, the service may be lower and AA doesn't want passengers to think that this exemplifies their "First Class" service. Anyone know the scoop? I seriously doubt enough true business traffic on these routes to CUN and ACA to justify a Business cabin!
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:42 am

Ssides,

The seating is exactly the same. In fact I flew LGA-SXM via MIA on the same plane in the same seat but the LGA-MIA was first and MIA-SXM was Business. The food I believe is about the same thing.

On 2nd Tier International flights that are flown two class planes 767-300 and 757 even though it is the "first class cabin" it is called Business. I am not sure as to why.

Hope any of that helped
-Matt
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xjramper
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:42 am

maybe its the type of fare that you have, or maybe its the config of the aircraft. Either way, cun or aca sounds a lot better than the cold 25 degrees that seems to surround the Toledo area at this time of year. Big grin

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ssides
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:46 am

I don't have a "fare" per se; I'm using AAdvantage miles, but I know that this is true for at least the ACA and CUN flights -- if you request "First," it's still considered "Business."
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EddieDude
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:49 am

AM and MX have two-class aircraft for all their flights to the U.S. MX's upper class is called Ejecutiva and AM's is called Premier. They are much in line (price and otherwise) with the international business-class standard. U.S. carriers probably believe they need to offer a product that is similar. DL is very clear in its webpage and other documents that the upper class to Mexico is business class (and that first is simply not available). I agree that there is probably not much "business" travel between U.S. cities and Mexican beach destinations but I guess that this is more a matter of willingness to pay for a true first class service with all the pampering or not rather than what the service should be called as a result of the kind of travelers that demand it. To me it does not make any sense for U.S. and Mexican carriers to offer a true first class in flights between the two countries that can in no event be considered long hauls (I don't think there is any nonstop flight between Mexico and the U.S. that exceeds 5 hours) because, clearly, nobody in his right mind would pay for it or want to spend so many miles for an award first-lcass ticket.

I hope this helps. I have been in Premier and Ejecutiva from MX), Mexico">MEX to CUN and from MX), Mexico">MEX to Huatulco and it is very similar to being on AF's L'Espace Affaires.
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:50 am

AA did so for reasons of product continuity. The only true First Class offered internationally is now the front cabin on three-cabin B777 aircraft. The narrowbody Business Class is essentially domestic First with a few enhanced features, like an occasional extra meal choice.
 
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:51 am


From my understanding (when I was an agent):: First class, international, is usually reserved for those flights with a three-class cabin. Domestic first layout is the same as international business on the 3-class aircraft, therefore, when the two-class aircraft becomes an international flight, the term first is dropped and "business" is used. That's about it, has nothing to do with fares, etc.

 
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:55 am

Service to Canada is also "business" class
 
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:06 pm

Based on AA's recent Food & Beverage realignment, the meal service is now the same as domestic First Class. AA used to have an upgraded F&B offering to Mexico, but in cost-cutting times.... no more.
 
joleb
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:55 am

why do airlines make it so difficult to understand.

on a 2 class plane there is economy and business
on a three class plane there is economy,business and first

doesnt matter if it is domestic or international


so US airlines are wrong calling 2 class plane economy and first classs while instead it shall be economy and business class. it is simply too misleading! why dont they follow the european standard in this matter?

although the seats in business are better in the US on a 2 class plane
 
GuyBetsy1
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:38 am

Generally speaking, you'd get more service on an hour LHR-CDG flight in Business class than you can get on a 2 hour mid afternoon First Class flight on any US carrier.

And the main issue here is that you can upgrade just because you're so and so on a European airline. You want to sit in the front, you pay for it. ($ or with points)
 
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:20 pm

Hi guys,

Well the main problem with US carriers flying to Mexico is that they consider their flights as domestic, eventhough they really should be international. And for Mexican Carriers(AM/MX) crossing the border you get real Premier / Ejecutiva service. For us crossing the border is international, whether its north or south.

For Pilots and F/A in the US all MX), Mexico">MEX destinations are considered domestic, amazing but true, so in there service its the same.

On Aeromexico Premier class, a route between Mex-Cun 1:40 mins.aprox is not the same as Mex-IAH with the same 1:40 mins. Service is totally different and meals, wine menus, and other goodys aswell.

Thanks and enjoy CUN!

bye
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RE: AA's "Business" Class To Mexico

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:13 am

Ssides,

I flew AA's "business class" JFK-BDA on a 757. To me it looked like a domestic first. They told me that on international flights they use the term "business class" instead of "First class". Strange thing was when I tried to get into AA's Business Lounge (or however they call that) at JFK they didn't let me in because BDA is treated as US destination - argument being that a domestic business class ticket does not entitle you to the lounge.... all very strange - I got the impression that ground agents didn't really know the difference....

Happy flying... Smile

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