ContinentalEWR
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LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:38 am

Why does Swiss fly to Montreal, but not to Toronto? As Canada's largest city, would Toronto not be a good destination (and a profitable one) for LX? I'm not knocking Montreal, I am just curious as to why Toronto is not served as it is Canada's biggest gateway to Europe, is it not?
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:45 am

The former Swissair used to fly to Toronto back in the 90's, however it was on a ZRH YUL YYZ routing and they were not able to make the route work as Torontonians have lots of nonstop options (i.e. KLM, AF, LH, etc...)
Swiss was one of those rare airlines (such as Air France) that was able to make more money out of YUL rather than YYZ. LX relies mostly on connecting traffic and for this YUL does well for them.
I do think that LX could make money out of YYZ today if they offered a nonstop 330 flight, however LX is having a lot of problems now and are axing flights and not adding them!

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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:10 pm

It’s mainly due to the link between the Western part of Switzerland with people from French-speaking cities like Geneva, Lausanne and even Lyon in France, and the Province of Quebec. It’s a cultural thing.  Big thumbs up

SR used to have a direct flight GVA-YUL but decided to transfer it to ZRH to take advantage of the hub in ZRH even though 60% or so of the Swiss citizen who go to YUL are from GVA region.

Anyway, many folks here in YUL hope there will be another YUL-GVA someday.
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:39 pm

Actually Swissair & AC split the market. Swiss operates YUL-ZRH. AC YYZ-ZRH.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:59 pm

Correct, but now AC operates YYZ-ZRH only during summer while LX operates YUL-ZRH all year long (winter: 6x weekly, and summer: 7x weekly).
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:07 pm

I'd venture a WILD guess... there is more of a market for LX in YUL than YYZ. Obviously LX has done their homework and found the market is more suitable for them in Montreal than the Teedot. Let's hope they continue serving Canada on a year-round basis!

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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:18 pm

ContinentalEWR - they speak french in Switzerland, not swiss!

(hence the cultural/linguistic link)
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:25 pm

LX has secured a huge IATA contract to transport employees to and from GVA via ZRH.

Mark
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:45 pm

ContinentalEWR - they speak french in Switzerland, not swiss!

(hence the cultural/linguistic link)


The majority of Switzerland speaks German, including Zurich, Basel, and Bern. The western part along the French border speaks French. Geneva is the only major French-speaking Swiss city. A small southern part, centred around Lugano, speaks Italian, and there are some small sections that speak Romansh. On top of that, the majority of the educated population is fluent in English.
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:21 pm

Not to mention also the fact that thousands of Pakistanis-Indians and ppl from Dubai too fly SWISS via ZRH to YUL as they love the airline-its service-standard and their timings + schedules.

SWISS get for the YUL route a lot of Arab-Middle Eastern traffic as well as North African.
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:46 pm

When LX (then SR) pulled out of YYZ, AC and SR entered into a commercial alliance on the route to ZRH. Cannot recall exactly if it was a true codeshare, or whether they each carried a block of seats on each others flights. To coincide with the agreement, AC & SR also had a crew exchange whereby 2 SR f/a's operated on AC878 (YYZZRH) & 2 AC f/a's operated on SR135 (YULZRH). That lasted I believe for almost 2 years.

Over time, and through alliance changes the agreement fizzled out. SR maintained an offline area Sales Manager in YYZ, and there was talk of returning to the YYZ market. Unfortunately with the switch from SR to LX, the company is in retrenching mode right now, but suspect one day they will return to YYZ.
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:14 am

MAH4546,

I would like to point out that Lausanne is also another major french speaking swiss city located about 45 minutes drive away from Geneva. Lausanne is know for being the headquarters of The IOC (international olympic commitee).

Just to clearify:

70% speak German
19% speak French
8% speak Italian
1% speak Rhaeto-Romanic (Romansh)
and 2% speak other languages.

30% of the population in Geneva are foreigners due to all the major corperations and the UN headquarters and agencies.
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:39 am

SWISS get for the YUL route a lot of Arab-Middle Eastern traffic as well as North African

...And that is the reason why the YUL-ZRH flights are almost full on a year-round basis because there aren't too many pax that actually have ZRH as their final destination.
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:43 am

Actually Swissair & AC split the market. Swiss operates YUL-ZRH. AC YYZ-ZRH.

Heard the same thing.
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:16 am

"The majority of Switzerland speaks German..."

Of course I know that. I was pointing out to our American friend that "Swiss" is not a language, just as "American" isn't, either. (Just in case he was wondering)
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:30 am

Mark, when did Swiss secure the contract to fly IATA travellers? When I worked there (although for a very short time) it was based on price. They usually went through FRA on AC.

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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:43 am

Is there any talk of AC returning to the YYZ-ZRH route, AC878/879?
I've flown it numerous times and miss it now that it is gone. In fact I would be flying it in 3 weeks from now, but have to connect through FRA instead.
 
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:51 am

AC's YYZ-ZRH service, has unfortunately been relegated to summer only seasonal service.

AC878 resumes operation on June 1st with B767-300 equipment, with the westbound AC879 resuming on June 2nd. The service is in effect till the middle or end of October.

Too bad, you would think this flight could be sustained on a year round basis.

[Edited 2004-02-10 18:52:14]
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RE: LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:56 am

"The majority of Switzerland speaks German..."

Of course I know that. I was pointing out to our American friend that "Swiss" is not a language, just as "American" isn't, either. (Just in case he was wondering)"

Actually, one could argue that there is a "Swiss" language - it's called Swiss German, which no one else who speaks standard "high" German would understand (maybe except for some Southern Germans close to the border)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy