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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:31 pm

A local news channel reported this in breaking news but there were no details, any ingfo?
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:45 pm

Plane appears to be Fokker 50 EP-LCA from Kish AIr.

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Yvo
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:57 pm

Same here in Germany on the news...could have crashed onto a supermarket, but no precise news so far!
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:10 pm

Just got a text message on my phone from CNN:

An Iranian airliner has crashed on a supermarket near Shajah in the United Arab Emirates.

BBC seems to confirm it was a Kish Airlines plane. They report 35 people on board but Sharjah TV says 60..... They mention some suvivors.



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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:12 pm

Could just figure this news in German on Yahoo:

http://de.news.yahoo.com/040210/286/3vj6g.html

or in French on Yahoo:

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040210/85/3mymr.html

Couldn't find it in English though.

Anyone knows anything about Kish Air? What's their safety record? Any other stories about them?
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:14 pm

Above link in german says that the planed crashed shortly before landing - 35 people on board
 
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Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:15 pm

the news are very different:
I could be a plane from Kish Air or a russian freighter,
it crashed a few moments before landing at sharjah,
victims 35 - 60
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:32 pm

CNN are saying it was a "Russian Jet".......
Bush, your a sad, sad man.
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:35 pm

It's a Fokker 50 with 50 people on board (i.e. full). There are apparently some survivors.
Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:35 pm

Hi!
According to Aviation Safety Network
During 2002 Kish Air had a heavy landing while operating a domestic flight
No casualities but aircraft was written off after a ferry flight to Moscow
where the nosegear collapsed

Cheers!
Tony
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:40 pm

Lxlgu,

It is 2004 now, not 2002
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:45 pm

Just saw it on CNN. Confirms it is EP-LCA from Kish Air.

history of the aircraft:
Fokker 50 c/n 20273
first flight 25. Jan. 1993
PH-LXM Fokker test reg.
D-AFFJ Lufthansa Cityline del 22 Oct 1993
EC-GKU Air Nostrum leased 12 Dec 1996
EP-LCA Kish Air del Mar 2002
configured 50 Y-class
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:45 pm

In another Yahoo article that just appeared it says that the plane crashed after take-off, that there had been up to 60 people and some survivors. There are some TV pix already.
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:46 pm

Yeah, Fritzi your are very correct, it is 2004. Perhaps Lxlge was responding to Mozart, who wrote
"Anyone knows anything about Kish Air?"
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:46 pm

The incident was the only reported problem that Kish Air has experienced
as a previous post asked about their safety record
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:50 pm

I guess the great people at CNN called one of their AVIATION EXPERTS who told them Iran only has Russian aircraft......
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:55 pm

From BBC Newsa, also see http://www.kishairline.com


Iranian plane crashes in Emirates
An Iranian plane has crashed near Sharjah airport in the United Arab Emirates with up to 60 people on board.

The Kish Airlines flight had just taken off on a flight to the Iranian Gulf island of Kish. Early reports had said it was about to land.

Preliminary information suggested there were survivors. Rescue helicopters have gone to the scene.

Local TV showed several dead bodies and flames and black smoke pouring from the wreckage of the front of the plane.

The plane crashed in an uninhabited area between Sharjah and the neighbouring emirate of Ajman.

Iran has a history of air accidents, often blamed on badly maintained planes.

Two decades of sanctions by the West against Tehran have left the country with a fleet of mainly ageing aircraft.

Its worst air disaster came in February last year when 302 people including 284 members of the elite Republican Guard died in a military transport plane crash near the Afghan border.

Kish airlines was the first private Iranian airline registered in Iran, and has special status in the country's tourist industry.
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:00 pm

Reuters

SHARJAH, United Arab Emirates (Reuters) - An Iranian plane with at least 40 passengers on board has crashed during take-off from Sharjah airport in the United Arab Emirates.

Witnesses said only flaming bits and pieces remained of the Kish Airlines plane. Ambulances were rushing to and from the scene on Tuesday. There was no immediate word on the number of casualties in the incident.

"Only a bit of the tail remained. It doesn't look like many people survived. Rescue teams are still looking for people," one witness said.

"The plane crashed near the tarmac. Police have sealed off the area to allow rescue operations," she added.

The official UAE news agency WAM said the plane was carrying 40 passengers. A UAE officials had earlier said the plane was carrying 60 passengers.

A Kish Airlines official in Iran confirmed that one of the company's planes had been involved in an accident but said the company was still seeking further information.

Earlier, security sources had said the plane was a Russian cargo jet with 35 passengers on board. The type of plane was not clear.

Iran's airlines have difficulty maintaining their ageing fleet of Boeing aircraft, many of them bought before the 1979 Islamic Revolution, due to U.S. sanctions. Instead, they have turned to Russian made-aircraft often leased from former Soviet countries.
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:02 pm

I forgot to show the other pictures of Fokker c/n 20273. Seems to be quite camera shy, as only 4 pictures appears on A.net! The first picture was uploaded back on 30 November 1998. Come on guy, search your archives. More pictures of this one must be hidden out there!

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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:03 pm

"Iran has a history of air accidents, often blamed on badly maintained planes."

Thank you, CNN, for this insight, based on.... what exactly?

Anyone here can confirm that Iran is particularly prone to air accidents? Does the fact of operating TU 154s and Yaks make it more dangerous? It may seem plausible to the non-specialist audience of CNN, but maybe in this forum someone can shed a little more light on that?

Thanks
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:05 pm

To add to my previous post: in their article Reuters state Iran's airlines have difficulty maintaining their ageing fleet of Boeing aircraft, many of them bought before the 1979 Islamic Revolution, due to U.S. sanctions. Instead, they have turned to Russian made-aircraft often leased from former Soviet countries.

What are they trying to say? That Fokker is Russian? That Fokker is a Boeing plane that cannot be maintained because of US sanctions?

 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:11 pm

This is getting ridiculous. CNN had just reported that it was a "German Fokker". If a reporter is not sure of the facts, then she (in this case) should just leave out the word "German". A Fokker is a Fokker! What did she want to imply anyway? That it is German made or German owned?
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:13 pm

Third time a plane has crashed in SHJ, in 1983 a Gulf Air 737 from Karachi crashed there with no survivors and in 1997 a Tajikistan Airlines Tu154 from Dushanbe with one survivor.
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:15 pm

Reuters

Plane crashes in UAE
Tue 10 February, 2004 09:58

SHARJAH, United Arab Emirates (Reuters) - An Iranian Kish Airline plane carrying 40 passengers, including a child, has crashed near Sharjah airport in the Gulf state of the United Arab Emirates.

Witnesses said at least 25 people were killed, but UAE's official news agency WAM said there were survivors and a doctor at a Sharjah hospital said they had received one body and three injured passengers.

The agency said the plane crashed as it was landing from Sharjah at 11.00 a.m. (7 a.m. British time). It fell between Sharjah and the neighbouring emirate of Ajman. Earlier, security sources said the plane had crashed during take off.

In Iran, an official from the semi-private Kish Airline said the plane was a Dutch-made Fokker-50, a twin-engined turboprop plane which can carry 50 passengers and six crew.

Witnesses said only flaming bits and pieces remained of the plane, adding rescue teams were searching the site.

"Only a bit of the tail remained. It doesn't look like many people survived," one witness said.

"The plane crashed near the tarmac. Police have sealed off the area to allow rescue operations," she added.

Kish Airline runs domestic and some short-haul international routes to and from Iran's Kish Island in the Gulf.

Kish Island is a designated free trade zone and Iran is trying to promote it as a tourist destination. The UAE-Kish route is popular with immigrant workers in the UAE who need to renew their residence papers/work permits.

Iranian airlines have been plagued by air crashes in recent years which aviation experts blame on its ageing and out-dated fleet of planes. U.S. sanctions mean Iranian companies have difficulty obtaining spare parts for their aircraft.

A Russian built Ilyushin-76M/MD military transport aircraft crashed in southern Iran last February killing all 276 military personnel aboard.

 
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Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:17 pm

CNN...Chicken News Network, all I can say. How could these dumba... report 'German Fokker'?
But not knowing the truth and still reporting is a typical strategy of CNN and others. 'German Fokker crashed' attracts more people to watch than 'Iranian Fokker crashed'...and more marketshare brings more advertising money. Hell, these money driven news channels really piss me off.


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Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:26 pm

Come on guy, search your archives. More pictures of this one must be hidden out there!

I have some shots of it taken at Sharjah only just recently.  Sad

I'll see what I can get uploaded.
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Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:00 pm

isn't that telling us that most news corp's just wanna release stuff as fast as they can, without even getting proof... Nuts
 
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Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:18 pm

Our national favorite, yellow press giants, Bild Zeitung just posted on their website that a JET crashed in Sharjah.
Well, that shows you what you can expect from that newspaper...
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:25 pm

What do you expect from BLÖD Zeitung? Just for non-German speakers: German master of yellow press, Bild Zeitung, is often called 'Blöd' (dumb) Zeitung...reason obvious.


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Udo
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Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:39 pm

Flight irk7170
passengers 46 (40 (1 child, survived) 6 crew).

source:Sharjah Civil Aviation.
 
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:56 pm

Iran does have a very poor record. An attempt to solve this was an airliner based on the An-180 (i think) in conjunction with Antonov DB. Ironically, this 'safer' plane crashed killing most of the design team. See BBC.co.uk/news for more information on it. it was only last year that 300 people died on Iranian plane
 
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Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:34 pm

 
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:09 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/10/uae.planecrash/index.html

In case it hasn't been posted.

Seems the pilots managed to miss two residential areas and a school when they crashed. They may be dead, but good job to the pilots. Kudos.
 
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:26 pm

Condolences to the people killed on that Kish Air flight.  Sad

It will be very interesting to find out what happened, especially given that the Fokker F50--being a derivative of the original Fokker F.27 Friendship--is a pretty safe plane to fly in general. How was the weather at SHJ at the time, and did the plane unfortunately flew into a flock of migrating birds?
 
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:23 am


Please have a look at the SHJ departure board:

http://www.shj-airport.gov.ae/cgi-bin/fids/fids?66

"06:00 Gheshm Kish air IRK 7176 Crashed"

Quite blunt, as opposed to the normal "cancelled", "delayed" or "Please contact Information" messages.  Wow!

Daniel


 
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:58 am

Who attached a date to the topic header, was there a crash at SHJ, yesterday or the day before or last week that this one has to be identified by a date.
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:02 am

That arrivals board is pretty stark - I'm amazed they even have a setting for "crashed" - can you imagine turning up at the airport to meet someone and seeing that on the board - blimey.
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:51 pm

Someone asked for more shots, people have been busy.

RIP those on board, condolences to their families.


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Recent shots at Sharjah and Dubai (all consecutively numbered). Thanks for prompt work by screeners.
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:17 pm

Re maintenance of this a/c, a report from today's Gulf Times quotes Koos Huurdeman of Stork (who own most of Fokker's assets) as saying that Stork carried out the major maintenance of this plane, with Kish Air only handling minor maintenance.
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:23 pm

That website is really unprofessional. How can you just casually write "crashed"?
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:26 pm

Sharjah airport officials said passengers were from India, Iran, UAE, Algeria, Egypt, Nepal, Syria, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Philippines, Sudan and Cameroon.

They normally go to Kish Island(no visa) nearby to meet the UAE requirement to exit the country yp have thir visa changed from tourist to work, before re-entering.
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RE: Crash In Sharjah (Feb 10)

Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:59 am

CHK out theses photos. (scroll down a bit)

http://www.waslaawy.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21029