Andie007
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Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:29 pm

Hi!

I just checked the flight times on flights from Taipeh to Europe (Frankfurt / London). Mosty, the flight time is very long (without a stop in BKK or somewhere else like KLM). Are flights from TPE not allowed to fly over Chinese airspace?

Thanx,

Andie007
 
744rules
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:40 pm

Correct. Carriers such as EVA are not allowed to fly over the mainland China. The nonstop flights (tpe-cdg) will use a northern route via the Siberia if winds allow it. The alternative route is thru India, but avoiding Chinese Airspace.
 
Motorhussy
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RE: Taipei To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over Chi

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:57 pm

Yes there definitely are restrictions within Chinese airspace for, not just flights to and from Taiwan, but all flights by Taiwanese airlines. So Eva and China Airlines bear the brunt of the mainland's manipulations.

Apparently the Executive Yuan (of mainland China) has been trying to use the enticement of access to this airspace as leverage between the government of Taiwan and two of the country's key businesses - the airlines.

They (the airlines) would be able to save millions by utilising the mainland's airspace on flights to and from Europe. They'd also be able to avoid current conflict zones like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Not sure if and/or how this affects flights to and from the former Formosa by airlines from other nations. China still does not allow airlines into China that also serve Taiwan, feeling that the act of serving the nation "legitimises their rebellious and false claim to nationhood" or some other such tosh. Many airlines codeshare or use a subsidiary into Taiwan so as to avoid this conflict.

This is as I understand it and it may be a little inaccurate or out of date, but the gist is there.

Regards
MH
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Jacques60
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:11 am

Yes indeed, you are right Motorhussy ! To the best of my memory only Cathay was allowed to fly both to TPE and PEK quite some time ago, without being obliged to "disguise" under a fancy name ! Even JAL had to create "Japan Asia" with dedicated/specially painted DC8's to operate from Japan to Taiwan. All other european airlines wishing to operate to TPE had to use a sticker adding "Asia" to their usual logo. I remember seing a SR MD11 showing a nice red chinese ideogramme on its tail !
Of course all flights to/frm TPE had (and still have I think) to avoid China mainland. Pure "Politics" !
Rgds
 
alexchao
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:11 am

Its very sad to see aviation affected by politics. I think China allowed Taiwanese carriers to fly into Chinese airspace during the Iraqi War to avoid the conflict in the Middle East. But that was an exception for sure.

-alexchao
 
cptGirmayTesfa
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RE: Taipei To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:56 am

Can anybody explain why many airlines have to go through the hassle of creating a subsidiary ("KLM Asia", "Air France Asie", "Japan Asia Airways" etc., while other airlines don't have to deal with this and serve both Taiwan and Mainland China (e.g. Thai Airways, Philippine Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Garuda Indonesia, Northwest, United, and more...).
 
COSPN
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:43 pm

Good Question I Used to Think it was because of Government Ownership of the Airline, but TG flies to both,..

I think is is not important now HongKong is Re-Unified with China..
 
fraT
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:51 pm

LH used to fly FRA-TPE with a 747 painted in DE (Then Condor) colours. The crews were from LH and even the interior was normal LH.
When I first saw a 747 in DE colours I was like "what the heck is that" but then a pilot from LH explained it.
 
daumueller
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RE: Taipeh To Europe - Not Allowed To Fly Over China?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:35 pm

Cospn: sorry, I don't get the link between hongkong beeing re-unified with china and airspace restrictions for mainland-china, aplying for airlines, flying to Taiwan...

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