jblake1
Posts: 262
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:25 am

Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:29 am

Wow!!!!!!!

ATLANTA, Feb. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL - News) today announced plans to limit the size of its Boeing 777-200 fleet. Delta said it intends to sell two Boeing 777-200 aircraft scheduled for delivery to Delta in 2005. The company also intends either to acquire other Boeing aircraft in lieu of three Boeing 777-200 aircraft scheduled for delivery in 2006 or to sell these three Boeing 777-200 aircraft.

Delta currently plans to continue to operate the eight Boeing 777-200 aircraft in its existing fleet and said it is pleased with the operational performance of these aircraft.

Delta and Boeing have agreed to defer until the second half of 2005 delivery of two Boeing 777-200 aircraft originally scheduled for delivery to Delta in the first half of 2005. Delta intends to sell these two Boeing 777- 200 aircraft and has entered into an agreement with an undisclosed party to assist in the sale. Delta expects that such a sale, if accomplished, would reduce its capital spending requirements by approximately $300 million through 2005.

"Delta must continue to create a path to rebuild its balance sheet and maintain effective cash flow management," said M. Michele Burns, Delta's executive vice president and chief financial officer. "Reducing major capital spending, such as purchasing aircraft, is an essential way to contribute to this goal."

Delta also intends either to acquire other Boeing aircraft in lieu of three Boeing 777-200 aircraft scheduled for delivery to Delta in 2006 or to sell these three Boeing 777-200 aircraft. The company has not yet identified which aircraft type it would acquire in lieu of the Boeing 777-200s if that option is chosen.

Delta Air Lines is proud to celebrate its 75th anniversary in 2004. As the world's second largest airline in terms of passengers carried and the leading U.S. carrier across the Atlantic, Delta offers 7,664 flights each day to 497 destinations in 84 countries on Delta, Song, Delta Shuttle, Delta Connection and Delta's worldwide partners. Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that provides customers with extensive worldwide destinations, flights and services. For more information, please visit delta.com.

 
Gnomon
Posts: 894
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 1999 12:38 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:33 am

Reads like a great epilogue to the story of Delta's continual reluctance to build its 777 fleet. Just after Delta acquired ship 860, it threatened to sell the entire fleet if it couldn't resolve a dispute with its pilots. And then there was the fascinating rumor last year that Delta would lease at least one 772 to SAA.

I'd guess the substitute would be more 763s, provided Delta still would be looking for international growth on a smaller scale than that provided by 772s.
 
B4REAL
Posts: 2557
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:53 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:33 am

DL seems to just love the 767s, and I guess the 777 is too big for them.

They can actually probably make money 'reselling' new 777s (like they did with the 738s). Too bad, if they only have between 4-8 777s in service I doubt I will ever get to fly it (unless I go ATL-NRT).

Too bad, I was looking forward to their small collection of 777s growing. I hope they don't call the 777 the 'flagship', it is too sparse and will be more so!
B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
 
ScottB
Posts: 5414
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2000 1:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:37 am

In my opinion, this is all about putting pressure on the pilots to give the company the wage cuts it desperately needs. With far fewer 777's in the fleet (as well as the sale of 737-800 deliveries last year), Delta is reducing the opportunities for advancement (and retirement with larger pensions) for its pilots. The pilots seem bound and determined to put Delta in Chapter 11, and it looks like they're going to succeed in a year or so.

[Edited 2004-02-10 23:38:18]
 
deltaffindfw
Posts: 1381
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:42 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:40 am


Here comes the 717 order  Big grin
 
Bicoastal
Posts: 2446
Joined: Wed Oct 06, 1999 5:56 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:42 am

Jblake1...how about adding a bit more to the topic line so we'll know what it's about and not have to open it if we're not interested. Click the "Edit Post" button and add, maybe, "777 Orders" at the end of the existing topic line phrase.

Thanks.
Airliners.net has many forums. It has spell check and search functions. Use them before posting!
 
Ezra
Posts: 474
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2000 8:21 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:44 am

Here comes the A330/340 order, and an arbitration over pay scales for these aircraft!
 
DeltaSFO
Posts: 2407
Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2000 11:22 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:02 am

The 777s aren't too big... just too expensive to operate. ARE YOU LISTENING ALPA?????
It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
 
ConcordeBoy
Posts: 16852
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:04 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:09 am

I hope they don't call the 777 the 'flagship', it is too sparse and will be more so!

Sorta how Concorde was called "Flagship" in the midst of tens of 744/772s?  Insane
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
TokyoNarita
Posts: 556
Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:30 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:10 am

So how about them MD11s for some long haul European routes. LOL Big grin Big grin Big grin


 
Av8rDAL
Posts: 356
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:41 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:34 am

Sounds like the 767 is becoming the realistic flagship of the Delta fleet. If Delta cannot fill a 777 profitably, then by all means, be smart and replace it. They need to fill every seat they can, and if it means downgrading, then so be it. I've flown DL ATL-FRA a couple times on relatively boring 767s (no PTVs!) and there was not a single vacant seat. Talk about a cattle car.

777 flight crews are also the highest-paid of the Delta fleet, if I'm not mistaken. Save some more cash there.

Also- how about DL reconfiguring a few 764s for transatlantic routes that may be so popular as to warrant larger equipment than a 763, but not a quite 777?

My two coppers...
Maintain thine airspeed, lest the Earth rise up and smite thee.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 13403
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:42 am

Here comes the A330/340 order, and an arbitration over pay scales for these aircraft!

Um...WHAT?  Confused

Here comes more 763s or 764s, possibly...but no Airbii.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
PVD757
Posts: 3021
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:42 am

A330/A340? Can you say exclusive contract with Boeing? This might actually be an opening for the 767 line to stay open. If the 777 is too big, what about the 764? Call me crazy, but this would cover most of the routes that they could do with the 777.
 
DeltaGuy
Posts: 3965
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:56 am

The airline's shrinking......we've lost L1011's, 727's, MD-11's, and now dashed any hope for more 777's and 738's. Not to mention pilots on furlough, and pleanty of pilots retiring as the months go by....

Another ill-advised management decision if you ask me...some people in DL HQ need to take a hike.....they're not going to get their high concessions, and pusing the the Ch 11. button isn't going to help either...it's been 2 1/2 years since the industry took that major dive....we shoulda been out of the woods awhile ago.

Ahhh...management.
DeltaGuy
"The cockpit, what is it?" "It's the little room in the front of the plane where the pilot sits, but that's not importan
 
syncmaster
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:55 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:09 am

I agree with DeltaGuy, if Delta was/is going to make a move such as Chapter 11, they should have done it a LONG time ago. It's too late to do it now, especially (provided the plan they come up with works) UA coming out of Chapter 11, that will only hurt them even more.

Apparently 777 flight crews at Delta want to be flying RJ's with another airline.
 
bucky707
Posts: 954
Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:01 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:37 am

"In my opinion, this is all about putting pressure on the pilots to give the company the wage cuts it desperately needs. "

Exactly right. Expect that when/if a pay cut deal is announced, Delta will change gears and hang onto these aircraft.
 
PVD757
Posts: 3021
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:43 am

Maybe the rumor of the NW service out of ATL to NRT isn't so outlandish given this event. If they can run a 764 on every other route, they could theoretically get rid of the handful they have and simplify the fleet.
 
jblake1
Posts: 262
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:57 am

Sorry about the topic.... I'm still leaning... but it seems that Delta is heading towards a majority makeup of MD80/757/767 sorta of like NW DC9/757/747 basically 3 main body types for medium/long range pax capabilities?
 
PVD757
Posts: 3021
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:04 am

Don't forget the A's that NW fly as well. You do have the concept though. Fleet simplification is the hot thing to try to accomplish now. In the 80's, it was who can fly the most diverse fleet.  Laugh out loud
 
Cory6188
Posts: 2609
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:29 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:28 am

If CO and AA and UA manage to use their 777s profitably (CO and AA consider it the flagships of their fleet with new BF seats and Flagship Suites), what is causing DL to have such issues with them? CO only has in the neighorbood of 25 777s - they manage.
 
N707PA
Posts: 218
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2000 11:01 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:20 am

If CO and AA and UA manage to use their 777s profitably (CO and AA consider it the flagships of their fleet with new BF seats and Flagship Suites), what is causing DL to have such issues with them?

You can start looking in column four........

http://www.apapdp.org/pay.comparison.php
 
MD88Captain
Posts: 1224
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:50 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:35 am

It is so hard to read this trash. Can't you guys just research a bit before you post?

"Can you say exclusive contract with Boeing?" There hasn't been an exclusive contract with BA for a very long time. EU issues and such.

"Apparently 777 flight crews at Delta want to be flying RJ's with another airline". The 777 Captains will all be retired shortly with very comfortable retirements. Some of the F/O's are close to retriement and the rest of the FO's have Captain senority. None have any fear of "flying RJ's for another company". And in a BK scenario, DAL won't stop flying and the 777 guy's will only see the inside of an RJ when non-reving.

"With far fewer 777's in the fleet (as well as the sale of 737-800 deliveries last year), Delta is reducing the opportunities for advancement (and retirement with larger pensions) for its pilots." There is no reduction of 777's in the DAL fleet. DAL IS NOT selling currently flying 777's, therefore there will be no loss of 777 pilots positions. The number will remain STATIC. The opportunity for advancement remains STATIC.
 
PVD757
Posts: 3021
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:46 am

Hello, I said Boeing not British Airways. I'm sorry that you don't remember that in the mid 90s. Delta signed an exclusivity agreement after Boeing bought MD. This was to guarantee them production slots for the aircraft they were to buy. CO and AA also signed such agreements. US tried to get a similar deal, but Boeing could not make such an offer. Hence, US Airways decided to buy Airbus because they could guarantee this. Unfortunately, due to the disagreements with the pilots on pay and work rules, they had to defer the first bunch of A320s. NW has these now as well as BMI. I can recall this from memory because I know exactly where I read it and discussed it.
 
wingnutmn
Posts: 491
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:27 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:50 am

Does DL fill the 777's that they fly across the atlantic? I read that they were filling the 767 across the pond earlier. And what about the ATL-NRT route? Are they filling that one too? What kind of load factors is DL flying with?

Wingnut
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
 
NLINK
Posts: 301
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:20 pm

RE: DL To Pull Out Of NRT?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:39 pm

The 777-200 imo doesnt make a lot of sense for Delta because it is not required to make there Atlantic trips, only required to make 1 route, ATLNRT in range. It seems that it would be more cost efective to get NW fly ATLNRT with the 747-400. This would allow them to sell 8 more aircraft, get rid of an small fleet and allow there widebodies to be 767-400/300/200, so more commonality, except between 767-400 and other 767, but the maintance parts and stuf are similar
 
User avatar
STT757
Posts: 13176
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2000 1:14 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:51 pm

"CO only has in the neighorbood of 25 777s - they manage."

Correction, they have 18.
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
Thrust
Posts: 2584
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:17 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:00 pm

The 777s are expensive to operate? That's a new one. The 777 is not too big for Delta's routes...no other aircraft they have is capable of operating ATL-NRT nonstop. Also, the fill their roles in the transatlantic market fine. I just hope Delta doesn't reduce the size of its fleet. This news is bad enough.
Fly one thing; Fly it well
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:02 pm

Another ill-advised management decision if you ask me...some people in DL HQ need to take a hike.....

Delta's pilots need to take a hike. They stonewalled the introduction of the 777 in the first place, and if DL gets rid of the aircraft it will be nobody's fault but theirs.

N
 
Cory6188
Posts: 2609
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:29 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:06 pm

STT757, thanks for clarifying that. I was too lazy to look it up on their website.  Smile
 
ScarletHarlot
Posts: 4251
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:15 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:10 pm

"Delta To Eliminate Existing"

Can someone please tell Delta that I want to continue to exist?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Sorry, had to say it.
But that was when I ruled the world
 
Thrust
Posts: 2584
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:17 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:13 pm

The Delta pilots are trying to block modernization of the fleet. The 777 is plenty flexible enough to fit into Delta's structure. Delta's decisions here are completely their fault, I agree. I think it is very peculiar that the pilots are opposing it. Sure you have to learn to fly a new aircraft, but it's no big deal.
Fly one thing; Fly it well
 
Gnomon
Posts: 894
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 1999 12:38 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:17 pm

PVD757 -- MD88Captain was referring to Boeing, as well. BA is Boeing's NYSE symbol.

The sole-supplier contracts signed by Delta and a few other U.S. carriers were ruled monopolistic and illegal by an EU panel some time (more than three years) ago, and were nullified. The EU threatened sanctions against certain American exports and other punitive actions if the airlines and Boeing did not abandon those agreements.
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:18 pm

Also, the fill their roles in the transatlantic market fine.

Apparently not.

N
 
DrJetMech
Posts: 44
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:24 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:21 pm

Continental has 18 777
 
N79969
Posts: 6605
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:43 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:21 pm

PVD757, "BA" is Boeing's stock symbol.

I think DeltaSFO is exactly correct. I recall reading that before Delta 777 was introduced, ALPA was claiming that their pilots should benefit from "their" increased productivity.

Message to ALPA: 100% of the efficiency benefits of the B777 result from the machine and not from better airman proficiency by your members. Most if not all efficiency gains from the airplane should go to the shareholders who forked out the cash for B777.
 
behramjee
Posts: 4325
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:37 pm

If these 2 are of the ER version then it shouldnt be too hard to find a buyer as DL would sell them for a good deal so I wouldnt be surprised if EMIRATES snapped them up ASAP.

Other airlines who would likely get them according to me are :

1. Vietnam Airlines- in order to facilitate their European and SFO-LAX expansion plans.

2. China Southern
3. JAL or ANA

4. BA (theyve announced a mega profit of 138 million pounds which is over US $ 250 million so if they plan to expand from 2005 their long haul routes or increase frequencies then these 2 ER would come in handy but then again DLs B 777s are probably not Rolls Royce Engines!!!)

5. BIMAN BANGLADESH (they have 4-5 DC 10s which need urgent replacing so buy these 2 new B 777s from DL and then the 2-3 B 777s that Egypt Air will be selling in 2 years time to replace the long haul DC 10 fleet).

6. AA or CO...can be used by either to facilitate expansion in the FAR EAST ASIAN MARKET which is underserved by both CO and AA. Both can fly B 777-200ERs nonstop from their IAH/DFW headquarters nonstop from AA), China">PEK-HKG-PVG and ICN!!!

***On the whole though, if someone at EKs DXB headquarters is reading this and word gets to the boss's mouth then I wouldnt be surprised at all if they make a quick move and decide to purchase them from DL.
 
tu154m
Posts: 610
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2001 4:52 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:23 pm

Guys.............DL's problem is not loads, it's costs!!! The majority of routes flown by the 777s, even domestically, are full. The memo at work today stated the company is very happy with the operational performance of the aircraft. The problem is the crew costs, a problem DL stated as "a win-win situation" when the current bus driver contract was signed a couple of years ago(therby starting the slide towards Chp 11).
S
CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:35 pm

Behramjee-

DL's 777s are all powered by Rolls Royce Trent 892s. AA is the only US carrier that matches up that engine type, and a lot of your top list don't.

BA i s'pose is a possibility, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if EK snapped them up.

N
 
CPDC10-30
Posts: 4681
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 4:30 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:38 pm

these 2 ER would come in handy but then again DLs B 777s are probably not Rolls Royce Engines!!!)

Actually, yes they are.
 
The777Man
Posts: 5913
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:54 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:10 pm

Too bad to hear this; was looking forward to Delta expanding their 777 fleet. I agree with DeltaSFO that this may be a negotiating tactic to lower pay for DL pilots, something that DL desperatly needs anyway.

The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
panamair
Posts: 3759
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:24 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:04 am

Tu154m is exactly right...Delta does not have problems filling their 777s (at over 82% average load factor on the ATL-NRT-ATL run in Jan '04, that means there are quite a few days where the flight is completely FULL and overbooked, not to mention the constantly overbooked ATL-MCO runs). They are trying to reduce costs!!! The very same people who complain that management isn't doing enough to cut costs in the company are the same people now whining loudly that Delta isn't getting new aircraft and expanding capacity. Face it, unless DL gets their cost structure in line with the industry, there will not be significant expansion or acquistion plans!
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6177
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:21 am

I don't know for sure whether the ATL-NRT route is profitable for DL or not, but my guess is that it must be. Therefore, I don't know if DL would get rid of all of its 772's and hand that route over to NW. I also tend to agree that this announcement is a move to get the pilots to cooperate with DL but of course I may be wrong.

On another subject, if this sale indeed happens, don't you think AM would be the recipient of one or two 772's? Many threads in a.net discuss how SkyTeam (AF and DL basically) is putting pressure on AM to replace its 762ER's used for the MEX-MAD and MEX-CDG runs with 772's.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
ScottB
Posts: 5414
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2000 1:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:49 am

MD88Captain says:

"There is no reduction of 777's in the DAL fleet. DAL IS NOT selling currently flying 777's, therefore there will be no loss of 777 pilots positions. The number will remain STATIC. The opportunity for advancement remains STATIC."

Absolutely true. However, a fleet of eight 777's does not offer the same opportunities for career advancement as a previously projected fleet of 13 777's. The number of positions for pilots flying the 777 will not decline unless the company sells the aircraft or reduces flying, but there will be fewer 777 positions than there would have been if the company were going to add the ordered aircraft to its fleet. And since pilot pensions are calculated based on salaries from the last few years of flying before retirement, having fewer 777 pilot salaries reduces Delta's pension liabilities.

Right now, Delta's pilot costs are 50% above most of its peers. That is simply unsustainable in the long term.
 
CLEfan
Posts: 292
Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:10 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:03 am

About the engine choice, since the aircraft are not built yet, does it matter that they were to be delivered with Rolls engines? Can another airline buy these aircraft but have for example GE's mounted on them?
 
gigneil
Posts: 14133
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:25 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:09 am

A contract for a plane comes with obligations to the engine.

If the engine selection were changed, DL would still owe Rolls Royce.

This is the presumptious reasoning behind BA getting the Trent powered 777s at all. They owed for RB211s from cancelled 747-400 orders.

N
 
flyboeingjets
Posts: 44
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 1999 1:43 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:10 am

The notion that DL cannot fill the 777 is absolute nonsense. The loads to the major European cities from ATL alone are overpacking the 763s and causing DL to leave money on the table. A shortage of 270 seat aircraft on the Atlantic market is going to hurt DL in the long-run.
 
behramjee
Posts: 4325
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:31 am

Well then if that is the case...then send the B 764s trans-atlantic during peak season too...the B 764s are not needed that much in the summer for Hawaii and Florida as much as theyre needed in the winter season where demand hits unprecendented peaks between Nov-March for those 2 states!!!

I know that DLs B 764s are not configured with the Intl J class product but still it has the capability to fly ATL/JFK-LGW/CDG/FRA/AMS etc nonstop!!!
 
njintern
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:14 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:52 am

I flew a DL 777 ATLLGWATL last week. Business Elite is a great product. First time I've ever had an ice cream sundae on an airplane. Yummy!
 
Greg
Posts: 5539
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 1:11 am

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:18 am

On the other end of the scale..why did you say they were getting rid of their 738's?
Far as I know, all airlines...(save SAA)..has been very happy with performance.
 
n102daman
Posts: 153
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:59 pm

RE: Delta To Eliminate Existing

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:25 am

Do I hear reconfiguration of the 767-400 aircraft. Or maybe more orders of the 767-400. Would kind of make sense to me anyhow. Can't see why Delta would reduce the size of its current fleet of 777s. Probably just going to put further expansion of the fleet on hold until the airline becomes profitable again. That makes the most sense to me. But then again I am just a gate agent. Not in fleet management.

"Fly Widget Fly"
"Keep Singing Song"
"Service and Hospitality from the Heart." (C. E. Woolman, Delta airlines first CEO and founder.)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AApilot2b, alski, B777LRF, Bluebird191, cheeken, Indy, kalla, qf789, RalXWB, Someone83, transit and 178 guests