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Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:33 am

In this picture, in the top left hand corner you can see a Iberia A319 taking off. Why does Iberia fly a A319 to MIA and is it capable of that range?


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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:35 am

This has been asked before, if you check you will find they operate or did operate around that area to feed the flights to Spain. Before they used the MD-87, I think!
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:35 am

My guess is inter Caribbean flights.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:36 am

Iberia have a mini-hub in Miami to serve Central American destinations. They operates four Airbus 319s.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:37 am

Iberia basically has a mini-hub type deal at MIA where they have some A319s stationed (they don't fly over from spain) to continue their two daily MAD flights to various destinations in central america, they also have local trafific rights to take people from the mia area to those desitnations....someone else any more specific information?
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:37 am

You know I was going to post something simular like that. I wonder why it is there. It is the same with this photo

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:38 am

They have used dc-9 and Md-87 in the Miami Hub.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:18 am

Talk about a topic beaten to death!

IB has a mini hub in MIA. A319 feed people from Guatemala, Mexico, Costa Rica, and I think the other country is El Salvador, or Honduras, into MIA, then take the 74 to MAD.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:19 am

SwissINTLA340:

Iberia operates thier A319s to and from MIA to:

Cancun, MX
Guatemala City
San Jose, Costa Rica
San Pedro Sula, Honduras
San Salvador
Panama City

Iberia operates two (2) daily flights to MAD using the B747-200 in the afternoons, and the A340-600 at nights.


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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:21 am

Actually the Air New Zealand A320 is simply on its delivery flight to New Zealand.
 
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:22 am

The search tool for this forum could be good use.

This topic and this question has been raised at least 2 times a month.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:43 am

I asked this same question in another thread and someone said that Miami is IB's hub for South American travel.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:56 am



For those of you who dont like to the topic...just dont read it!! SwissIntnlA430 was just asking a simple question and he has the right to. Who cares if its been asked before.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:01 pm

Agreed with Md11lover- this is a legitimate question and when I asked it people got on my case too. Don't worry it happens to everyone. Happened to me about 3 times in my first 10 posts. But I learned!  Smile
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:05 pm

Iberia uses MIA as a mini-hub, to feed traffic onto its flights to/from MAD. The airline has A319 and MD87 aircraft operating to Guatemala City, San Pedro Sula, San Salvador, Panama City, and Cancun. The hub was nearly scrapped after 09/11, but given AA's huge presence at MIA and its partner ship with AA, through OneWorld, my guess is Iberia will continue to use it. The MIA hub for IB was first established in 1989 or 1990.

 
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:11 pm

This topic does come up on a weekly basis. I'll add some info, since the complete list of destinations has yet to be posted. Iberia has 4 A319s, as mentioned. They fly to seven destinations, five with local traffic rights. The five with local traffic rights are Guatemala City, Managua, San Jose, San Pedro Sula, Panama City. They also fly to Cancun and San Savador, but without local traffic rights. The hub remains, despite this age of codesharing, for the simple fact that is a very profitable operation for them. They do not codeshare on AA flights between Miami and LatAm and AA does not codeshare on Iberia's MIA flights between Miami and Central America/Mexico. They attempeted to start a codeshare deal, but it was rejected by DOT, for the same reasons AA is not allowed to codeshare on any TACA or LACSA flights out of MIA: It is already too high fare of a market, and codesharing would do nothing positive for the customers.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:37 pm

Are there still ERJs operating out of MIA in Air France colors? I know a different company operates the ERJs to places like Haiti or some French colony, but I am surprised no one has asked why there are Air France ERJs at MIA.
 
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:50 pm

Hey

with the AZ A320 probally on a delivery flight. IB has a caribbean and a south america hub in MIA and opperate to the Caribbean and South America. I have seen the 320 at SJU with a 340 there to at the same time,.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:06 am

in the top left hand corner you can see a Iberia A319 taking off.

Hmmmmm I don't see anything in the top left corner.

Do you mean the top RIGHT corner?  Big grin

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:08 am

>>> HlyfwdCatft

No AF ERJ, but a AF A320. I just saw it last Saturday, se my post about it. I was suprised to see it anyway.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:43 pm

Air France operates both ERJ-145s and A320s out of MIA to PAP (Haiti). I don't know why they alternate.
 
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:29 pm

IB A319's at MIA are doing IB flights to SAP and other Southern American services. I can not remember the flight numbers. I think one is IB6132 to SAP from MIA. But I still am unsure of the flight #'s.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:55 pm

Air France (AF) operates both ERJ-145s and A320s out of MIA, daily, to PAP (Haiti), PTP (Guadeloupe), FDF (Martinique) and CAY (French Guyana).

Daily flight at 8am.


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ERJ-145s are operated by Air Caraibes, based in Guadeloupe and Martinique.


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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:03 am

Aerolineas Argentinas has a mini hub in MAD operating MD80's around Europe inc LGW to connect with the flights to EZE. This is the same concept as IB in MIA.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:16 am

How is it possible that non-US airlines are allowed to operate flights with their own aircraft in the US? Are there more examples than AF and IB in MIA? Are they just allowed to do that when the flights go out of the US? I could imagine that it is pretty difficult for e.g. LH to get operating rights for a flight like DEN-LAX to feed their flights to FRA and MUC.
And are those IB aircraft really IB planes or just operated for IB like the ERJs for AF by Air Caraibes?
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:21 am

How is it possible that non-US airlines are allowed to operate flights with their own aircraft in the US?



It's not (with traffic rights), and they don't. The short-haul Iberia and Air France from MIA leave the United States to other countries.

International airlines can, and do, operate domestic segments in the US, but they cannot get traffic rights unless the passenger originated outside the US on the same flight. For example, El Al flies TLV-EWR-MIA. A passenger cannot buy a ticket on the EWR-MIA portion of the flight, but they can fly TLV-EWR, stay in Newark for a few days, and then fly the EWR-MIA tag-on.

The AF A320 is Air France owned and operated. Iberia's A319s are as well. Iberia operates a full mini-hub operation in Miami, including a pilot base, FA base, and maintence base.
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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:31 am

Both AF and IB have full rights to carry passengers from MIA to any of their destinations.

You don't have to originate in MAD or CDG, for example.

But as MAH said, they're going to other countries, not staying in the US.

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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:32 am

Are there more examples than AF and IB in MIA?

NW has an A 320 based at NRT:


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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:18 am

Pan Am used to do this alot.
They operated 737s and 727s all over Europe.

TWA as well.


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RE: Iberia A319 @ MIA?!?!

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:41 pm

Also add IB's route MIA-MGA (Augusto C Sandino, Managua, Nicaragua)
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