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Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:35 am

How much longer will the 767-200s be around at Delta? I am trying to figure out a time to take a trip to DTW and I must fly on a 767-200!  Big grin

Also are the current -200s all ERs? Are there any non ERs?

Thanks
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:39 am

While I dont know the date or time, if you miss DLs you can always fly COs! They do fly intercontinentally between EWR and IAH, alongside the 777,764, 757, and 733/5/G/8/9.


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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:42 am

I would like to try CO, but this trip will be a mileage run on Delta.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:51 am

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but none of Delta's 767-200's are ER models. I believe all of Delta's transatlantic 767 flying is done by the -300ER model. The -200 is strictly for domestic flying. If you want a -200ER, I believe you'll have to fly CO. And I believe that DL's -200's are among the oldest in the -200 fleet.
 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:15 pm

Delta's 767-200 are among the first (in fact, one of them I believe is the first) to roll off the Renton assembly line. No, none of them are -ER models and they do not operate on transatlantic flights.

Continental's 767-200's are much newer. They were delivered in 2000 up until 2001 (all 10 models). They have 777 style cabin architecture on the inside and upgraded avionics. They fly mainly from Newark to Europe and South America, as well as from Houston to Sao Paolo. The routes are:

EWR-MXP
EWR-FCO
EWR-BRU
EWR-LGW
EWR-GRU
IAH-GRU
EWR-GVA
EWR-ZRH

They are also scheduled to operate two of the six daily EWR-LAX flights in the spring time.

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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:27 pm

i don't think the 767-200 will be retired for a while...the 762 is the "Spirit of Delta" (i'm refering to that perticular aircraft and not all 762s) and has a place in the heart of employees and FFs.

They will AT LEAST keep the spirit in service as long as humanly possible.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:32 pm

of course you can always catch a ride in an AA 762! I think that one of the AA 762s is no.2 off the line.

alternatively, you could buy one of the UA ones that is up for sale...and it would be your very own!  Smile
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:33 pm

I would expect to see the 767s, all series, in service at the very least until the 7E7 arrives, and then possibly a gradual retirement of their 767 fleet as they transition to the 7E7. Depending on how they continue to perform as the years and hours build up, we may see them for many years to come.

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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:42 pm

Futureualpilot, my sentiments exactly. The 767-200, both the non-ER and ER models, will begin to be disposed of upon arrival of the 7E7. UAL has already retired a number of their 762s, some of the oldest 762s in the world. If I am correct, UAL's 767-200s are all non-ER models as well, right?
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:43 pm

Of the 15 DL 762's, at least 5 are currently in storage according to Av Letter. No indication whether this is short term or long term storage.



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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:48 pm

EWR-BRU and IAH-GRU are both 767-400s.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:57 pm

I believe DL was the launch customer for the 762 in 81 or 82.
UA also has 762 ER's and I think AA does as well.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:57 pm

Thanks for the replies. Im going to try for next month.

I thought United had the first 767??

Also Delta 767-200s have flown on trans Atlnatic flights before. I remember in 95 they were all over Europe. They also used to fly to Moscow.

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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:04 pm

Sushka - Let me correct myself.
The first three 762's were UA. The fifth plane was DL's, and flew on 2/19/82. However, DL was the first to use GE engines, so they were the launch customer for the Boeing/GE variation. I believe Ethopian Airlines, of all airlines, was the first to get the 762ER, in 5/84. JL placed the first order for the 763 in 1983. AA was the launch customer for the 763ER.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:05 pm

I thought United had the first 767??

Correct. UA was the first customer to order & receive the 762.

Also Delta 767-200s have flown on trans Atlnatic flights before.

Nope. The DL 762's are non-ER. Unless they were used briefly on the intra-Euro services. They were NEVER used transatlantic.



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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:16 pm

If your going on a mileage trip, correct me if I'm mistakin, but you still could take CO.
 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:16 pm

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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:17 pm

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What is a Intra-Euro service?
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:21 pm

Hey Thrust, just a quick question for you, did UA retire some of their 762s or just park em in the desert for a little while?

Thanks for the answer, I'm just curious.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:25 pm

Thanks for telling me UA does operate 762ER's? I figured some had to be ER's because they were seen at Frankfurt and London-Heathrow frequently in the early 1990s. By the way, AA operates only 762ERs now. Their eight 767-200 non-ER models are all in storage for the time being. AA 762ERs N312AA through N339AA, and N301AA through N308AA are non-ER models.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:26 pm

i can back up sushka's story up.i flew out of moscow on a 762.they fly them between jfk and moscow.that was in april of 95.much better then the L-1011 i flew over in!
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:29 pm

they fly them between jfk and moscow.

DL's 762 are not -ER and therefore could not have possibly flown JFK-SVO. However, DL did base some 762 in Europe and they may have flown FRA-SVO.
 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:30 pm

Hirisk did they fly the L1011 ever to Moscow? I have also seen other pictures at other places of 762s at Moscow.

Futureualpilot, There was a post about United selling the 762 earlier. Apparently all but three are for sale right now
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:04 pm

Delta did have a hub in Europe at one point in the 1990s at Frankfurt. Not sure about the routes on which the 762's were used, but I found a few shots of 727s among the 777s, 763s, MD11s, L1011s, and A310s from Pan Am that Delta either formerly or currently uses for FRA routes. 762s could have been operated from here, as it is one of the major hub airports in Europe next to LHR, CDG.


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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:29 pm

"Of the 15 DL 762's, at least 5 are currently in storage according to Av Letter. No indication whether this is short term or long term storage"


All of Deltas 762s are coming out of storage by summer.
 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:14 pm

sushka,they flew the L10's to FRA then you hopped an airbus of some sort(can't remember which one.maybe a 310?)on to moscow.i might be wrong about the 767 i flew back on.it probably was 763.i still have the ticket in my closet.guess i better check my facts,don't ya think Big thumbs up
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:21 pm

Here's some more info regarding DL's former hub at FRA and also some more details about the use of DL's 762's on intra-European services from this hub:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/978369/
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:35 am

Doesn't DL still fly the 762 to MSY regularly out of ATL? Mardi Gras has already started and I wanted to take a chance before Fat Tuesday.
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:17 am

Why don't the USA based airlines just go with the 737-800/900; 767-300ER/400ER: and the 777-200/200ER/300 aircraft. Those are the newer verisons. In my opinion, Boeing should only offer those types of AC.

International based airlines: A340-600/A380 - Long Haul
A330 - Medium Haul
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:20 am

Yes....that is primarly the A/C choice by DL out of MSY-ATL they have 1 maybe 2 they use the 767-300. The rest of the flights are done by 767-200s or MD-80's maybe even a scattering of CRJ's (those are mainly to DFW). Oh yes don't forget the 757-200 flight.
 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:23 am

At MSY you could see any one of the following A/C parked at terminal D:

CO: CRJ's
737-300
737-700
757-200
757-300 (Seems to be only during Mardi Gras) Flew out on one last year

DL: 767-200
767-300
MD-80
757-200
737-300
CRJ

 
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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:30 am

Rb 211 here is what DL operates out of MSY-ATL:

Delta 1156 5:00am New Orleans (MSY) 7:20am Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 737-200
Delta 760 6:00am New Orleans (MSY) 8:25am Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-200
Delta 200 7:45am New Orleans (MSY) 10:08am Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 757
Delta 720 9:05am New Orleans (MSY) 11:25am Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-300
Delta 973 10:45am New Orleans (MSY) 1:04pm Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-300
Delta 358 12:04pm New Orleans (MSY) 2:24pm Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 757
Delta 1050 1:30pm New Orleans (MSY) 3:57pm Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-200
Delta 1273 3:00pm New Orleans (MSY) 5:25pm Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-300
Delta 1068 4:30pm New Orleans (MSY) 6:54pm Atlanta (ATL) Boeing 767-300
Delta 268 6:09pm New Orleans (MSY) 8:34pm Atlanta (ATL) McDonnell Douglas MD-88

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RE: Delta 767-200s How Much Longer?

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:05 am

I don't think UA's 762's are ER's. That would not keep them from having flown trans-Atlantic in the past. TWA flew non-ER 762's on trans-Atlantic routes, as well.
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