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Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:38 am

Saw that a couple days ago, NWA17 (a B747-400) from New York to Tokyo diverted to Detroit due to "security reasons". Anyone have any more info?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:23 am

It was due to a disruptive passenger. Flt was about an hour north of DTW when this occured. Pax was a Chinese national who was becoming a real problem, so decision made to divert to DTW, have the authorities deal with him and continue flight to NRT. Dumped 130k of fuel, broke almost a full load of pax onward connections from NRT in the process. Very, very expensive for the airline, but little other choice. Continuing in these circumstances is not really an option, especially with another 9-10 hours or so ahead.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:29 am

In the end, does the disruptive pax get billed for all the trouble? Obviously, at first, the airline gets stuck w/the bill, but what happens next?



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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:34 am

What are NWA's INTL non-stops from NYC?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:38 am

I believe just AMS and NRT? Hub traffic only.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:54 am

Yes, they operate JFK-NRT daily, and sometimes JFK-AMS seasonally. The latter is constantly changing, though, and as of now it's all KLM.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:05 am

LOL! You know the funny part about this is???! He came down to TOL later that day and tried to buy a ticket on us for a flight to ORD! We had to deny him and the cops had to come haul his butt off the airport property! It was pretty interesting.

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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:42 am

AA777-200, how did you know this was the guy that brought down a NW plane? Is there a "disruptive pax database" ?  Big grin
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:29 am

We got a call from the police saying it was him and that we were to not allow him on the plane. I guess he was very disruptive and also we had talked to NW up in DTW about him. Usually when stuff like this happens the airlines/airports look out for each other. And considering DTW/TOL is only about 60 miles apart we got alot of people driving back and fourth between airports. When I work tonight i'll ask the agent that actually dealt with him and see what she has to say.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:16 am

Too bad the moron couldn't be fined for the cost of the of fuel. Maybe that would make him a bit less distruptive the next time.

Under the circumstances, I don't know what else NW could have done. A good decision on the Captain's part, I'm sure.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:26 am

Glad the FLIGHT ATTENDANTS made the decision to dump that guest off!
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:10 am

Flight Attendants? I was in the jumpseat. It was a great CRM effort that entire situation. All crewmembers worked together very well. The FA's were immediately wanting to divert, not thinking of the amount of fuel that would be required to dump (we had to dump over 140,000 pounds). The captain (my dad) had the final say in the situation. We determined that we couldnt tell how the passenger would act if he was strapped in a seat all the way to ANC, and MSP was snowy, so DTW was the final decision. The other NF captain and FO, myself and one of the FA's put him into a seat (with minimal force) as we were on approach.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:14 am

By the way..he was obviously mentally disturbed...all of what he said was nothing but jibberish. Some type of schizophrenia maybe?
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:38 am

What day was this on?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:43 am

The 8th if i remember correctly...
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:17 am

If NW really wanted to take the time to sue this guy they could. The problem with that is it costs a lot of money to have a lawyer in court for a couple of days then all you can do is hope that he pays and try to garnish his wages if you can find him.....
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:18 am

XFSUgimpLB41X
How were you able to ride in the jump seat? From what I know that is not allowed anymore in the USA Please give me some info on that
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:45 am

UAL747DEN,

In his post XFSUgimpLB41X says that the captain was his father. "The captain (my dad) had the final say in the situation." Which I think explains his jump seat ride.

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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:57 am

Which I think explains his jump seat ride.

His profile says he is a CRJ pilot... I assume for Pinnacle... which probably gives him the ability.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:37 am

WOW! 140K fuel = apx. 20,500 gallons @ $2.00 plus per gallon = apx. $41,000+ in lost fuel alone...... Not to mention costs involved re-booking pax on other flights due to missed cxns.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:40 am

I had the jumpseat because I fly for 9E, not because my papa bear was the captain.

We figured that it costed the airline at least a couple million dollars with hotels, rebooks, landing fees, and all the other stuff that goes along with delaying 370 something people.

Kind of ironic- it was my dad's retirement trip and his first time ever having to divert after 32 years flying in the airlines. Congrats to him for a great career!  Smile
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:48 am

NWAFA, you are so damn bitter about everything.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:59 am

Say, can someone tell me WHY the fuel had to be dumped?

New to the specifics of certain things....

thanks!

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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:13 am

The reason you have to fuel dump is because of the huge difference between maximum takeoff weight and maximum landing weight. The 747-400 has a maximum takeoff weight of 870,000 pounds...and a maximum landing weight of 630,000 pounds. We weighed about 817 that day on takeoff...and had flown for a little while, so 140,000 pounds of fuel was the calculated amount need to dump to get us close enough to maximum landing weight. Typical landing fuel is around 30-40,000 pounds.
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RE: Northwest Flight 17 Diversion

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:18 am

"Say, can someone tell me WHY the fuel had to be dumped?

New to the specifics of certain things....

thanks!"


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Simply put to shed weight. Planes with a combination of heavy fuel loads, cargo loads, and pax loads can't land at the weights they take-off with without risk of serious structural damage to the aircraft.

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Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.

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