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FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:16 am

From the AOPA Website

Feb. 11 — AOPA's claim that the city of Chicago violated federal law and aviation regulations when it shut down Meigs Field last March has merit, says the FAA, and will be investigated. AOPA filed a formal complaint following the destruction of Meigs's runway on Mayor Richard M. Daley's order, claiming the city failed to provide adequate notice, as required by the FARs. The complaint will not result in the airport's reopening but can lead to the mayor and the city being punished for their actions.

"AOPA intends to push for the appropriate penalty to be imposed on the city," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "Mayor Daley and any other state or local official who may want to follow Daley's lead must be made to understand they cannot unilaterally change the National Airspace System."

The manager of the FAA's Enforcement Division sent a letter of response to AOPA's complaint against both the mayor and the city, saying "reasonable grounds exist" to begin an informal investigation into the allegations.

AOPA maintains that Daley and the city of Chicago violated both the U.S. Code and Federal Aviation Regulations. The U.S. Code states that an airport or landing area not involving the expenditure of federal money may be altered substantially "only if the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration is given reasonable prior notice, so that the Administrator may provide advice on the effects" of the alteration. In order for the administrator to carry out that obligation, Federal Aviation Regulations state that anyone intending to alter a runway, deactivate a runway or airport, or change the status of an airport must submit notice of that intent at least 90 days prior to taking such action.

The FARs do provide for immediate emergency action, such as in the case of national security, which was Daley's original claim. However, even in the case of an emergency, if the airport has a charted instrument approach, which Meigs Field did, a minimum of 30 days' notice must be given.

An informal investigation proceeds at the discretion of the assigned investigator, in this case the manger of the Chicago Airports District Office of the FAA's Great Lakes Region. At the end of the investigation, the FAA will issue an Enforcement Investigative Report. If the report suggests that there's evidence to proceed, then the FARs say "a notice of proposed order may be issued or other enforcement action taken." That enforcement could be anything up to and including fining the city for its action. There is no time limit for an informal investigation, but any civil penalty action must be taken within two years of the event — in this case by March 30, 2005.

To ensure that nothing like the Meigs debacle happens again, AOPA lobbied hard on Capitol Hill for the Meigs Legacy provision, which is part of the 2003 FAA Reauthorization bill. It provides for hefty fines against anyone who closes an airport or runway without giving the FAA the required notice.

"The fact of the matter is that nothing the FAA eventually does will bring Meigs Field back," said Boyer. "But the FAA's declaring that our complaint has merit sends a message to the next mayor or county supervisor or governor who gets the same idea to shut down an airport in the dark of night — 'don't try it!'"

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:19 am

What's to investigate? Daley's an authoritarian asshole who acted like a tyrant without any regard to process and our aviation infrastructure.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:25 am

AMEN Aaron747!

If anything, they should ship Daley to Nuremburg to be put on trial. The man has no common sense and can barley organize and speak a single concise sentence, hardly the kind of man who shoul dbe running a city, let alone destroying airports on him whim.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:28 am

Personally, I would like to see Homeland Security take control of what is supposed to be a park, and reopen the airport, for security purposes. That would make Richie fume.
 
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:28 am

He's an ass to St. Louisans as well. It was Daily who pretty much threatened AA not to move anything to St. Louis after the takeover or they would face problems with him. In turn, STL got hacked and ORD and DFW saw improvements.  Pissed
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:34 am

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please!

There is no reason to compare Daley to the likes of Hess and Gheoring! What he did was awful, but it simply does not compare!

Still, I'm glad that they're going to investigate.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:17 am

The investigation is just another way to spend the taxpayers money and accomplish nothing. Meigs will remain closed I'm afraid.  Sad
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:22 am

Yes, it will cost taxpayer money. But Daley will pay the price after it's all said and done.
 
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:45 am

The investigation is just another way to spend the
taxpayers money and accomplish nothing. Meigs will
remain closed I'm afraid.


Spending taxpayers money or not, justice needs to be
done here. Maybe if the citizens of Chicago get
pissed enough that this is going to cost them some
$$$$$$$$$$$ maybe they'll hold their leaders more
accountable in the future.

And Phil Boyer is right. This accomplishes something
because it sends a clear signal to other mayors across
the country that this behavior is not acceptable.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:26 pm

I would like to see Daily fried, but I doubt that it will happen.

Hopefully the message will be more important then the results.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:35 pm

I want to know, first of all how many of you Anti-Daley posters actually live in Chicago. For those of you who don't live near or in Chicago, hell don't even live in Illinois you have NO right to say anything about Daley. Second If the FAA finds that Daley was in the wrong,(Which I believe he was) then the fine will be tens of thousands of dollars. A drop in the bucket in terms of Chicago's budget.

For those of you who dont live near Chicago, I totally disagree with your stance on the Mayor of Chicago, how can you make a judgemental call like that when you dont even live in the same state as Chicago? how does that work?

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:41 pm

Hey, nobody can rig an election like a Daily..

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:42 pm

about damn time! although it will accomplish nothing it will show that idiot he is not in total control! the worst is that i was planning a flight to meigs for the day after he did that.  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:51 pm

Amen BoeingNut!

While I applaud AOPA's effort (the reason I pay my yearly dues) I feel like it is too little too late. Hopefully, if there is any good to come out of this it will be that there will be legislation created to prevent this from ever happening again. How many more parks does Chicago need? And quite frankly what would make an aircraft taking off from Petone, O'hare, DuPage, Midway, Palwaukee, or any other airport up there any safer than one that went to Meigs? I hope Dailey realizes how much money he is loosing now every time there is a convention at McCormick or another big event downtown.

Galvan, If I lived in Chicago (which I don't, GO CARDINALS!!) I would be extrememly worried about the mayor's actions. He doesn't have the authority to overstep federal law and I think that this just proves how corrupt and devious the government is there. If he's willing to do this to an airport to get his way, what's next?
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:50 pm

I want to know, first of all how many of you Anti-Daley posters actually live in Chicago. For those of you who don't live near or in Chicago, hell don't even live in Illinois you have NO right to say anything about Daley.

You are incorrect. I have every right to criticize that P.O.S. This is America, last time I checked.
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:04 pm

I've lived in the Chicago suburbs all of my life, but more than half of it had either Richard J. or Richard M. as Mayor.

What is shocking is that no one of substance wants to run against the Mayor. It's comical to watch Richie blow up at a press conference over something that would get a chuckle from Rudy.

My hope is that the U.S. Attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald, is able to indict Richie. He's indicted some of Richie's cronies, as well as former Gov. Ryan and his cronies.

Considering that the demolition work was a no-bid contract, Richie might get indicted over Meigs.
 
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:37 pm

Galvin - oh please. Geography does not confine criticism.
Are you saying that if you live outside a Fascist state you are not allowed to criticize it? Are you saying that we should limit our right of free speech to your parameters? If so, you belong with, and deserve, the likes of Daley.

My biggest question is why did it take the Feds so long to notice this? Why did it take the AOPA to kick them in the head to show them that their own rules were ignored?
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:42 am

Wow this is gonna be fun when I come to Chicago soon...

But well, this post contains some ugly parts. Comparing Dailey and the current situation to the sad German history is completely inacceptable and You, Vanguard, presented Yourself as an ignorant and immature poster. Please start thinking about what You wanna write before You write it! This could help You really much!
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:27 am

I have to agree with what's been said negative about Daley. We all have the right to criticize the guy if we're in Chicago or not. I've flown myself into Meigs myself and would like to again. It's an easy flight from my local airport in the TOL area. You didn't have to get in the way of the larger traffic at MDW and ORD.

There are smaller airports to use in the Chicagoland area but none as convenient from the east as CGX was. I would love to fly out right now for some Giordano's pizza but it's just not convenient any more. I guess Daley would just rather we stay home and not spend our money in Chicago!
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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:29 pm

"Galvin - oh please. Geography does not confine criticism.
Are you saying that if you live outside a Fascist state you are not allowed to criticize it? Are you saying that we should limit our right of free speech to your parameters? If so, you belong with, and deserve, the likes of Daley."

First learn how to read, My name is Galvan thats Galvan with an A not an i, Second, How can a person who doesnt live in the place where the controversy takes place accurately have a valid argument in anything? Third, and most importantly, i stated that i disagree with Daley anyway.

Sure, I'll take heat for those comments, but for people who dont live in Chicago they should not have any say in anything. And please dont throw the consitution at me, because yes while i realize you have the rights of free thoughts and speech, I beleive that unless you know the whole story which obviously you dont because you dont live in Chicago then you shouldnt have the right to open your mouth.

But far more important then that, What's done is done and theres nothing the FAA nor the federal government can do about it.

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:09 pm

GalvanAir777 (I got it right that time)

No, I don't live in Chicago but I still like the Cubs. Is that bad or allowed?

It would be very interesting and educational to hear your reasons for standing up for Mr D when so many deride him. I'm serious in that statement. You have to admit that outsiders seem never to hear much (none) good from his efforts and that may be unfair but the gentleman must start to understand that his reputation stands accountable for what he does if he fails to explain, or refuses to explain, why he does it. His actions in this case affected interstate commerce and he will get interstate flack. Period.

The sad part is that as the article seems to say Chicago may get fined but will His Honor have to pay? No. You will. Thats yet another problem.

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RE: FAA To Investigate Meigs Closure

Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:55 pm

How can a person who doesn't live in the place where the controversy takes place accurately have a valid argument in anything?

Hmmmm. I don't really live in or near Germany in 1940, I really don't have a valid argument in anything. Let Hitler do what he wants!

Not to compare Daley with Hitler at all! However, if people feel strongly about an issue, they always have the right to argue about it if they live there or not.

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