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Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:08 am

Can anyone think of any non-hub flights by US airlines? SEA-ANC CO is one I can think of.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:16 am

NW operates non hub routes out of SEA, HNL, LAX, MKE, GRR, FNT etc...
AA has a massive non hub network, MCI-LGA, MSY-BOS, the list goes on and on and includes an extensive JFK intl operation
CO also had SAT-LAX if I remember correctly
US operates some carribbean services out of BOS, domestic out of DCA-TPA, MCI, etc.
HP-SFO-BOS, JFK, LAX-BOS, JFK
DL has many connection and mainline routes out of JFK, including service to several euro destinations places like Nice, Brussels, Rome, Milan, Madrid, Athens and Moscow
UA-Has a few like JFK-LHR, I believe is still around, used to have MIA-GRU, EZE, CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO, and ATL
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:17 am

HP has the whole transcon thing going now. Prior to that however, every HP route went through PHX, LAS, and CMH (until that hub shut down), with one exception. HP flew SMF-SNA (this ended after SW started that route).
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:31 am

Several people argue about AA's routes because they have major operations at so many airports (LAX, JFK, BOS, SJC), some say they are "hubs" and others say they aren't. Officially, AA says DFW, ORD, MIA and SJU are its only "hubs," so the list of non-hub routes seems endless. I can think of the following AA non-hub routes:

AUS-LAX
AUS-SJC
LAX-JFK
BOS-LAX
BOS-SAN
BOS-DCA (Eagle)
JFK-DCA (Eagle)
DCA-RDU (Eagle)

I know there are many, many more.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:31 am

"DL has many connection and mainline routes out of JFK, including service to several euro destinations places like Nice, Brussels, Rome, Milan, Madrid, Athens and Moscow"

JFK is a transatlantic hub for DL and thus why there are so many flights out of that airport.

"UA-Has a few like JFK-LHR, I believe is still around, used to have MIA-GRU, EZE, MCO, and ATL"

The MCO and ATL route is no more and in the near future so is the EZE and GRU route.

DL does operate an ACA (DL Conn) hub out of BOS to various markets that would seemingly be better served from JFK. (YHZ, YUL, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV).
As for any others they have all been eliminated. There may still be a TUL-OKC route, but I think it is gone as of Jan7.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:36 am

Every AA route out of STL is a non-hub route  Big grin

STL is still in bold print on the route map of AA's latest edition of their inflight magazine along with MIA, DFW, ORD and SJU so I suppose AA still considers us a hub.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:36 am

CO also opperates LAX-HNL.

SAT-LAX was discontinued after 9/11
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:47 am

What actually constitutes a "Hub"? That's my question.

Is it Number of Aircraft?

Facilities available for their explicit use?
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:48 am

United Airlines- Boeing 777-200 flight from New york JFK to London Heathorw.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:53 am

Some DL nonhub city pairs:

SFO-HNL
LAX-HNL
LAX-OGG (Maui)
LAX-DL), Mexico">GDL
LAX-MEX
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:56 am

Nonrevman- I thought Delta had a hub at LAX?
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:01 am



American RDU-LGW
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:04 am

TriJet, you could make more of a case of AA having a hub at LAX than that of DL. ATL, CVG, SLC, DFW are DL's hubs listed in order in terms of flights....
DeltaMIA, thanks for correcting me when I didn't even say anything wrong  Big grin. DL doesn't list JFK as a hub, so I won't take the liberty of declaring it one myself, it is a "gateway".
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:05 am

Delta- Brussels-Raleigh/Durham
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:05 am

The Delta Connection ORD-JFK flight on a regional jet?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:08 am

BRU-RDU isn't operated by Delta, I can assure you of that one w/o even checking. EddieDude, those RJ's seem to be the trendy thing for DL to help feed their JFK flights to obscure places like SVO or NCE.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:13 am

Current NW non-hub domestic routes:

FNT-FLL, FNT-MCO, FNT-TPA, GRR-TPA, GRR-MCO, LAX-LAS, LAX-DEN, LAX-HNL, MKE-PHX, MKE-LAS, MKE-LGA, MKE-BOS, MKE-DCA, MKE-LAX.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:15 am

I do not believe that NW currently flies to FLL from FNT, however, I may be wrong!
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:15 am

To Brussels, Belgium (BRU) from: Lowest Round-trip Sale Fare May 1 - 15 Lower Round-trip Sale Fare
May 16 - 29 Low
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Boston, MA (BOS)
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:17 am


TriJet -

Those are not necessarily non-stops. You need to read the fine print. DL has tons of fare sales - many involve connections. DL doesn't even codeshare on an RDU-BRU.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:18 am

Funny thing that DL still calls DFW a hub (LambertMan's post). Its presence there is testimonial in comparison to what it used to be.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:19 am

It connects thru ATL or JFK. Use some logic here TriJet, that list includes DCA, you think they are flying 767's into DCA? Exactly.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:19 am


From DLs website:

"A portion of some travel may be on the Delta Connection® carriers: Atlantic Coast Airlines, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Chautauqua Airlines, Comair, or SkyWest and SkyTeam partner Air France."

Translation - you will connect somewhere!
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:25 am

Are they still considered routes if they are offered?
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:26 am

No, they are just offers. STL-FRA to my knowledge is on sale, but it isn't considered an actual route per se. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:32 am

Oh, I see just thought that was interesting that they were offering those FLIGHTS. Basically you might as well put flights on there such as CLE-BRU because all you have to do is connect in ATL or JFK.
-Sorry just that thought it was interesting no hard feelings
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:37 am

US and DL had ABE-CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO.

CO (Express) has ABE to BUF/ALB.

Every flight WN operates is non-hub.

ATA has SFO to EWR, correct?

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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:50 am


DL flies CMH-many Florida markets and to BOS and DCA.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:51 am

American RDU-LGW

A carryover from the days when AA had a hub at RDU. As mentioned here before, the route still exists mainly because it's heavily used by executives from the Glaxo pharmaceutical company.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:02 pm

Sure AA has a lot of non-HUB routes, but you can hardly consider airports like LAX, JFK, and BOS, equal to the likes of DEN, PHX, etc. I would consider these focus cities-even the operation AA maintains at LAX has a respectable amount of flights/destinations.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:23 pm

LambertMan,

You may not consider JFK a hub for DL, but they do.

The DL hubs are
ATL, BOS, CVG, DFW, JFK, LAX, MCO, and SLC.

Granted while some may not be as big as others they are still hubs.
Today for example JFK handled 7,000 passengers while DFW handled 5,800. BOS handled 7,100, SLC- 9,600, CVG- 14,500 and the cash cow (ATL) handled 74,000.
Each day these cities are required to send a hub status report which includes things like hotel availabilty, weather and things along that nature.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:36 pm

Honestly, will someone back me up on the fact that BOS, JFK, LAX, and MCO are not hubs?

http://www.delta.com/home/press_url/dal_stats_facts/index.jsp

[Edited 2004-02-12 04:39:39]
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:56 pm

Alaska Airlines:
SFO-PSP/YVR
OAK-SNA
Horizon Airlines:
SFO-TUS being discontinued
SJC-TUS being discontinued
To name a few
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:08 pm

Lambertman,
I totally agree with you.
BOS, JFK, LAX and MCO are not Delta Hubs. Why would anyone say they are hubs while the airline itself does not recognize them as hubs...
Also, I do believe that DL pulled out of the BOS-YHZ route.
I know I remember reading that somewhere up there.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:14 pm


Why are you splitting hairs? So, it's not listed as a hub - LAX and JFK are considered "International Gateways". Don't you think an international gateway would have flights from places other than hubs? That's why people consider JFK and LAX part of the quasi-hub system. BOS and MCO are focus operations.

From the site:

Major International Gateways:
Atlanta to Europe and Latin America
Los Angeles to the Pacific
New York JFK to Europe and beyond
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:15 pm

Alaska:
Nome-Bethal?
some of their southern Alaska runs
OAK-SNA?
Barrow-Purdhue Bay?

DL:
ALL SONG ROUTES (if New Yorks airports and BOS are not hubs as well as LGA and MCO!)
NEXT FLIGHT: FLL-ATL-HPN on FL
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:24 pm

Deltaindfw, I was the one who actually posted that link may I remind you. I'm quite aware of the international gateways, we are talking hubs. A simple transfer point, those are more of O/D operations with a little feed to support it. Not that I'm in argument with you, but just stating my case about the whole JFK, LAX hub theory DeltaMIA seems to have. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:27 pm

AirTran has flights to Orlando and Miami from BWI. Also they fly to the Bahamas from BWI.

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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:31 pm

I am sorry whether you choose to believe it or not. DL does consider JFK, BOS, LAX, and MCO as hubs. The airline does list them as hubs however I can't link an internal website. In fact the JFK, BOS, and MCO hubs are all larger than the DFW hub. LAX is the smallest hub.
I don't know what consititutes as a hub to everybody (I guess to each his own).
A hub is simply a base of operations; all aspects of DL's operations are represented at these airports. (Crew bases, IRO desks, etc.)
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:35 pm

"Also, I do believe that DL pulled out of the BOS-YHZ route."

Nope still fly it 3x a day on FRJ's.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:07 pm

US Airways operates the following mainline flights from airports other than PHL/PIT/CLT/DCA/LGA/BOS:

BDA-FLL/MCO/BWI
SJU-IAD
MCO-ALB/BUF/BDL/SYR/PVD

All of the flights are seasonal and/or weekend-only.

US Airways Express operates *tons and tons* of nonhub flights.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:06 pm

I do not believe that NW currently flies to FLL from FNT, however, I may be wrong!


Northwest does fly FLL-FNT non-stop with DC-9s.

American has the largest number of non-hub routes. American has only five hubs: Dallas, Miami, O'Hare, San Juan, and St. Louis. Though the majority (probably 85%) of thier non-hub routes begin/terminate at seven airports: Boston, Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood, JFK, LaGuardia, Los Angeles, Raleigh, and San Jose.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:29 pm

CO

SPN-MNL, ROR-MNL, YAP-ROR, SEA-ANC, LAX-HNL, HNL-MAJ,MAJ-KWA,KWA-PNI, PNI-TKK, TAG Flight GRU-GIG (No Local Traffic)
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:06 pm

While NW has added many "non-hub" flights with the MKE minihub and the preemptive strikes against AirTran in Michigan, they've really cut the fat in recent years. Not too long ago (5 years tops, some more recently), they flew..

LAX-SAN
SEA-ANC
PHX-TUS
ABE-MDT
AZO-LAN
ORD-BOS
ORD-NRT
LAS-NRT
ANC-NRT

All of these have been discontinued,but I'm sure there's plenty more where those came from.

And you can now fly between Los Angeles and New York on NW668, which makes two stops enroute, but does not stop at a hub (routing LAX-LAS-MKE-LGA).


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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:54 pm

"Major U.S. Hubs: Atlanta
Cincinnati
Dallas/Ft. Worth
Salt Lake City"

JFK, LAX, MCO may very well be DL hubs. They just list what they call a Major Hub on the website.

In my early days at HP they called LAX a hub even though at that time it was not listed as a hub but the company considered it one.
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:04 pm

CO Express flies BWI-HPN with B1900s.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:00 am

Additional Continental:

Panama City (PTY) - Guayaquil (GYE)
Bogota (BOG)- Quito (UIO)

Thru Traffic Only:

Belize City (BZE)- San Pedro Sula (SAP)
Quito (UIO)- Guayaquil (GYE)
Dublin (DUB)-Shannon (SNN)
Montego Bay (MBJ) - Kingston (KIN)

St. Marteen (SXM)- Antigua (ANU) --not sure if this one still exists and if local traffic is allowed?
 
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:36 am

NWAMAN is quite accurate. NW flies the FNT-FLL on saturdays only. I think airTran does the same. The FNT to MCO and TPA are daily flights.
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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:37 am

I can think of a few not listed above.

SEA-NRT on UA. Also SEA-ANC on UA.

Also on UA, JFK-NRT.

I was wondering if DCA could be considered a hub for US (although PIT, PHL and CLT are their only official hubs).

It's kind of hard to define what is a hub and what is not. For example, the manger of UA operations at LAX was going to the meetings of hub managers for about five years before UA declared LAX to be a hub. I would say that for those five years, LAX could be considered a de facto UA hub.

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RE: Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:42 am

The US Airways and Delta Shuttles

BOS-DCA
DCA-LGA
BOS-LGA

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