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Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:54 am

Well, kinda sorta, but still an interesting developement.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q1/nr_040212g.html
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Rick767
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:59 am

What, just like a lot of the Airbus family of aircraft is made by the Americans and just like a lot of the Boeing family is made by us Europeans?

Aircraft manufacturing is a truly global industry, just because the 7E7 will be assembled in the USA, the majority of it's components will be made abroad.

Just like a great proportion of the Airbus is made in the states...
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:08 am

What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?

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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:10 am

Someone just posted this yesterday.

a) We already used Dassault software.

b) Who gives a sh*t whether they're French or not. I didn't even think about it until people started pointing it out.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:12 am

Dassault Aviation in France, a privately owned company which makes the Falcon line of business jets was the first aircraft manufacturer to design and build an airplane strictly by computer. This eliminated all paper blueprints and documents and allowed all the different engineers to fully integrate their work without conflicts. Dassault designed their own software, called CITIA for this and have been marketing it under license to other manufactures.

Boeing designed the 777 using a highly modified version of this software and the results were fantastic. This software also allows engineers to design maintenance friendly systems so the mechanics can reach the components for removal or service with as little effort as possible.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:13 am

Is Dassault privately owned ? I thought the Government had a stake - at least they used to.
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:19 am

Rick767,

You're right, I didn't look at it that way. I just saw the story and it got my attention because Dassault is pretty big in aviation.
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:22 am

What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?

If the engines are P & W or GE, it could be a large precentage of an Airbus is US made, depending on the model.

While the aircraft structure is made in Europe, the engines, avionics, APU, electrical systems, hydraulics and wheels and brakes can be from the US.

The Airbus A-380 has a sizable amount of US made components.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:23 am

Dassault designed their own software, called CITIA for this and have been marketing it under license to other manufactures.

It's actually CATIA and I think IBM had a hand in it as well as Dassault(?)
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Rick767
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:29 am

"What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?"

Airbus spends some 40 percent of its procurement budget with American suppliers. Hundreds of companies in more than 40 U.S. states produce hardware for Airbus, ranging from engines to window glass.
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:10 am

Airbus should try to make more in US, rather than trying to push Japan to buy their aircraft with manufacture agreements. The USA want and buy the product the Japanese are happy to buy older Boeings, send it this way!!
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:16 am

Boeing's using CATIA right now, and McDonnell Douglas used Unigraphics (which I've learned some of the basics of). No clue what Airbus uses.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:49 am

This is actually old news. N'or is it odd. There are many alliances between American and French companies and Boeing has been doing this for years.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:53 am

Hmm, with all these posts, I'm discovering I'm waay behind.

Just goes to prove you can actually learn a lot from A.net!!

[Edited 2004-02-13 18:54:01]
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:58 am

Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't Dassault also involved in the Airbus consortium? Isn't this a strange development then?
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:38 am

Airbus uses something very similar to CATIA, but for the Sun Solaris platform.

Boeing sticks with IBM for big power.

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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:52 am

"7E7 will be assembled in the USA" - not only assembled. Boeing aircraft are designed/developed in the US. Same as Airbus in Europe. But even this stage may use something (software, ...) "from the other side". So, absolutely, "aircraft manufacturing is a truly global industry". Which is great.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:04 am

It's actually CATIA

....bingo. Computer Aided Three-dimensional Interactive Application

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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:22 am

I think it's a nefarious plot by the dastardly French in order to corrupt and ultimately destroy the American aviation industry!

Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!

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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:31 am

"Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"

Ahhh the power of cheese  Big grin
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:31 am

"Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"

LMAO!
Keepin' it real.
 
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:33 am

Re: I think it's a nefarious plot by the dastardly French in order to corrupt and ultimately destroy the American aviation industry!

Ooops - too late. I think Airbus already did.

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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:44 pm

"7E7 will be assembled in the USA" - not only assembled. Boeing aircraft are designed/developed in the US.

Nope, the wings are going to be designed, developed and built by MHI.
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RE: Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?

Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:58 am

What's interesting is that AF buying the medium-range standard-fuselage version of the 7E7 isn't such a far-fetched idea.

The reason is simple: AF needs a new widebody airliner smaller than the A330-300 for intra-European routes, and given that Airbus won't produce a true A310/A300B4 replacement for quite some time, the airline will turn to Boeing for the 7E7 just like AF bought 24 777-200ER's for CDG to South America flights.