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States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:13 am

I'm from West Virginia, and after thinking about it, I believe we may be the only state without mainline jet service. The likely candidates Montana, the Dakotas, Idaho, Vermont, etc all have a little mainline service. The only two I'm not sure about is Maine (but I think Portland has some) and Wyoming. Come to think of it, Wyoming may not. Any thoughts on this anyone?
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:18 am

Cheyenne, Wyoming does not but I know GFK and FAR North Dakota have jets to MSP. I seem to recall driving thru Montana years ago and seeing a United 737 landing.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:20 am

Delaware don't have ANY service at all.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:22 am

As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong), Delaware has no airline service whatsoever.

Vermont has JetBlue to Burlington
Idaho has WN to Boise
North Dakota is served by NW mainline to Fargo and Grand Forks, I believe
South Dakota is served by NW mainline to Sioux Falls and/or Rapid City, I think
Montana is also served by NW mainline to Billings and/or Great Falls, I believe

I'm pretty sure Maine and Wyoming don't have any mainline, but one that may get a bit overlooked is South Carolina -- my gut feeling is that they surely get some DL mainline service, but it may be all RJ -- can any good South Carolinians confirm?

The same may be true for Iowa, but I bet NW continues to serve DSM and/or CID with mainline jets. Kansas is on the bubble -- as far as I know, it only has a few AA MD80s to ICT. Connecticut also just barely has mainline, because DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL is close to the Massachusetts border!

Also, note that several states (Nebraska, Mississippi, Idaho) might be off this list if it weren't for WN.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:25 am

Deleware!! excellent answer Dragon-wings. I completely forgot about Deleware.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:25 am

Looks like you might be able to add South Dakota to the list ... I'm searching around and it looks like NW only serves the state with RJs ... someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:30 am

Ssides> good info. Montana has NW mainline into Kalispell/Glacier National Park. SC has service into Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach. Maine has some into Portland, but I'm not positive about that. BDL has a lot really if you count SW.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:30 am

Anyone remember in 1984 when UA advertised, "First to fly to all 50 states"?

They had at least two flights into at least one city in each state, including places like Wilmigton, Delaware!
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:32 am

Ssides: what about Sioux Falls SD? The had Mainline the last I checked.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:35 am

Zrs70....I remember Uniteds "we fly to all 50 states" commercials. CRW was one of the last to get added. Only one 737 to ORD daily I thought.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:39 am

MainRunway --

I just double-checked, and you're right -- Sioux Falls does get a couple of DC-9s to MSP. The first time I looked, the imputs I inserted into NWA.com didn't give me all possible flights. Thanks for the correction.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:41 am

Ssides

Sioux Falls has Dc-9 and A320 a/c sceduled into Twin Cities.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:41 am

Wilmington in and of itself could support flights, but the city suffers from being stuck right between US Airways' second-largest hub and cash cow (PHL) and Southwest Airlines' east-coast hub (BWI)...Somewhere in Delaware needs service, right now the only service on the Delmarva Peninsula is (as far as I know) a quartet of US Airways Express (Piedmont) from Salisbury, MD to PHL, and a single flight that doesn't even run every day to DCA...
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:41 am

**Connecticut also just barely has mainline, because DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL is close to the Massachusetts border!**

DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL is primarily to serve the city of Hartford and is about 15 mins from the massachusets border, though it is only about 15 from Hartford as well.

United, US Airways, Delta(incl Song), Continental, American, Southwest, and America West all serve DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL with mainline...

[Edited 2004-02-13 21:42:55]
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:43 am

Maine:
DL 1679 PWM-ATL MD-88

Wyoming:
DL 2010 JAC-SLC 737-300

South Carolina:
DL 1481 CAE-ATL 737-200

Iowa:
UA 894 DSM-ORD A319

These are just examples, most of these routes probably have more flights as well.

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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:44 am

Wyoming still has some mainline service in to JAC (Jackson Hole). UA flies a couple A319s from DEN-JAC daily (along with a commuter turbo). AA flies a 757-200 from ORD-JAC daily (at least this time of the year). DL flies a couple 737-300s from SLC-JAC daily. NW has a daily A319 from MSP as well.

Maine still has DL mainline (MD80s) from CVG-PWM (Portland) as well as ATL-PWM. Everything else into the state appears to be either regionals or turbos.

I don't believe Delaware has any more mainline service. Wilmington several years ago had UA mainline into there, but that was dropped (simply too close to PHL).
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:45 am

Somewhere in Delaware needs service

Not necessarily. Most of Delaware's population, if not all of it, is within reasonable driving distance of PHL or BWI. Most of the business travel will be headed to Wilmington, anyway, which is easily accessible from PHL. I don't foresee any carrier serving Delaware soon.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:47 am

Thanks for the updates on Wyoming, Maine, Iowa and South Carolina. Quick question for the Wyoming people -- does JAC have year-round mainline service, or is it all seasonal?
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:47 am

Rapid City(KRAP) gets 3 dc-9's a day now and 3 319's and 3 dc-9's in the summer
Bozeman has mainline Delta Still and nw
Great Falls, Helena Missoula Kallispell and other cities in MT get NW mainline
Nebraska??? Omaha has mainline Delta, Northwest, United, America West, Continental, and Midwest Airlines,
Idaho has mainline United, Northwest, WN, HP, AS, DL, F9 in BOI
ND Has grand forks bismark fargo all get mainline from NW
not much but it actually seems to be getting better for mainline in BOI
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:52 am

The same may be true for Iowa, but I bet NW continues to serve DSM and/or CID with mainline jets

Yes, DSM still receives mainline service (I live here, that's how I know!  Smile):

AA from DFW (MD80s)
UA from DEN and ORD (733s & 735s)
NW from MSP (DC9s)
YX (Midwest) from DCA and MCI (717s)

Until AA clobbered the STL hub, we also received MD80s from STL. That's down to ERJs now. Also, Allegiant Air flies scheduled MD80 service from LAS 5x a week, but they are not considered "mainline." They just fly a mainline-type aircraft!  Smile

As far as CID goes, they've gone to all regional service now.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:56 am

DFW-DSM is all RJ now.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:09 am

Also, note that several states (Nebraska, Mississippi, Idaho) might be off this list if it weren't for WN

Boise also has:

UA from ORD and DEN (733s/735s)
DL from SLC (still using a couple 737 series on that route)
AS from SEA (734s)
NW from MSP (319s)
HP from PHX (732s or 733s)

OMA in Nebraska still has a lot of mainline service (UA, AA, DL, CO, YX, NW, WN, etc.)

Mississippi also still has DL mainline from ATL-JAN.

Source: http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:12 am

Ssides --

DFW-DSM is all RJ now.

You know, the minute I posted that I realized that was the case. Thanks for the correction!  Smile
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:18 am

Sorry about the "without WN" comments -- I don't know what I was thinking about. WN seems to dominate those markets so much, I just assume it's the only carrier. My mistake.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:25 am

Sorry about the "without WN" comments -- I don't know what I was thinking about. WN seems to dominate those markets so much, I just assume it's the only carrier. My mistake.

No problem. Heck, they are pretty prolific!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Frankly, I wish we had WN here in DSM. There's talk of it, but then again, there's always "talk" of something like this!
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:36 am

MainRunway: I remember Uniteds "we fly to all 50 states" commercials. CRW was one of the last to get added. Only one 737 to ORD daily I thought.

I'm pretty sure United served CRW as early as the 1960s when they merged with Capital Airlines.

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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:38 am

A few notes:

PWM also has mainline service on Northwest during the summer, one daily DC-9-30 on PWM-DTW. Last summer, CO operated a daily 735 on EWR-PWM as well. I don't know if this flight will be returning.
BTV also has a daily United A320 (plus 2 CRJs and an ER4) to ORD. US Airways flies a daily 733 on BTV-PHL in summer as well.

Kansas is getting close to losing mainline service. They are down to a daily UA 735 to DEN and a pair of AA S80s to DFW.

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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:41 am

To confirm the info about South Carolina, AFAIK, the only city with mainline service is indeed, CAE, which gets DL mainline service 4x/day to ATL and 4x/day from ATL on 737s. GSP, FLO, CHS, and MYR get RJ service on the majors.
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:05 am

Wilmington's airport, ILG, is about a 20-30 minute drive or so from PHL (the airport, not the city), and I'd guess about 75 minutes drive from BWI or so...too close to PHL, IMO to receive any service...

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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:26 pm

To confirm the info about South Carolina, AFAIK, the only city with mainline service is indeed, CAE, which gets DL mainline service 4x/day to ATL and 4x/day from ATL on 737s. GSP, FLO, CHS, and MYR get RJ service on the majors.

Charleston gets mainline service on US Airways to CLT, usually about 4-5 737/A319's per day.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:58 pm

Actually, F9 in BOI has reverted back to 2 QX CR7s now. I see it is supposed to be that way past May.
I know UA had quit CRW, than returned for all 50 state deal.
I thought it funny UA wasted time flying to TTN when they already flew to New Jersey via EWR.
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:07 pm

as far as i know,DL doesn't go to sc.comair does go to and myrtle beach. (i've taken that flight before,beats the hell out of driving there!) Smile
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:21 pm

"as far as i know,DL doesn't go to sc.comair does go to and myrtle beach. (i've taken that flight before,beats the hell out of driving there!)"

Actually, there is one Delta mainline flight from ATL-MYR (DL1794 x23 738).
I don't know why Delta doesn't add more mainline flights, since the ATRs are always so weight restricted!
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:00 pm

As far as SC.....Spirit flies in and out of MYR alot....not to mention the base for the imfamous Hooters Air.....CHS has MD80 from Delta, like 4 or 5 a day, not to mention 737s and buses from US...and CAE has 3 737s a day from Delta
 
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:15 pm

As for the question about JAC... I am pretty sure that United has year round DEN-JAC A319 which was 1 or 2 daily flights last summer... here's 2 random dates i looked up in July for mainline flights... there are 4 daily flights, 3 of them are A319 and the other is UAX but CRJ700

DEN-JAC (Jackson Hole, Wyoming)
UA 361 11:15am - 12:43pm A319
UA 1249 2:15pm - 3:33pm A319
UA 7045 6:35pm - 8:39pm CR7
UA 271 8:00pm - 9:28pm A319

JAC-DEN
UA 781 7:55am - 9:19am A319
UA 7044 9:05am - 10:56am CR7
UA 1148 1:25pm - 2:49pm A319
UA 414 4:23pm - 5:50pm A319
so yeah i am prettys ure its only Delaware



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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:57 am

I can't believe Nebraska even came up in this discussion. You guys are a riot! Hell, we PARK 25 a/c here overnight - almost all of them mainline. Not too long ago, UAL was using 72s and 75s here (until WN kicked their asses to the curb).
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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:41 am

About South Carolina, Greenville does have mainline service 5x daily to ATL on DL and 3x daily to DTW on NW, according to each airline's current timetables.

I remember the NW service from my days with Mesaba and was wondering if NW mainline was still, in fact, flown there. Apparently it still does.

My home state Alabama does pretty well, with BHM, HSV and MOB all getting mainline service, although our state capital and second largest city (MGM, 200,000+ pop) is one of the largest cities in the country without mainline service.

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RE: States Without Mainline Service

Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:00 am

Whoaa.................

GSP has five daily DL mainline flights. Mainly MD-88's, 737-800's and 737-200's. The winter months have two MD-80s and 3 737-200's and the summer and fall months have 4 MD-88's and 1 737-200's and 737-800's. We used to have 727-200's and 757-200's on equip changes during the summer (in '02).

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