eastbay
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HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:52 am

I flew Austin to Phoenix yesterday on AmericaWest flight 478, a 737-200. Arriving at the gate in Austin I was surprised to see it was scheduled to continue to Burbank; I assumed that there would be an "unscheduled" aircraft change at Sky Harbor, but that didn't happen. The OAG confirms the 73S into BUR once per day; I had been under the impression that Burbank was a pretty noise sensitive airport and that the -200's weren't welcome there. Back in 1990/1991 I worked with Southwest in ground operations in Oakland, we had plenty of -200's flying through but they almost never went to Burbank, only for maintenance substitutions. Anyways, are there other older generation aircraft flying in and out of BUR these days, or is this an anomaly? Thanks for any information.
 
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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:03 am

Compared to some other airports like SNA and LGB) running -200s through BUR was far less problematic as far as noise regulations. At SWA, we still tried to route -300s/-500s/-700s through BUR for the improved performance (better ATOGS) over the -200s, but every once in awhile when something was out of service, a -200 was all we had available, and if the loads allowed it, that's what we put on it. These days, the -200s at SWA have all been pulled back to pretty much a central time zone footprint, and even those will be all retired in the next 10-12 months.

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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:05 am

Don't know about other "older generation" airraft currently flying into BUR. In the not-too-distant past, United had at least one DEN-BUR frequency operated by a 727-200.

Noise sensitivity is not so much an issue at BUR as the runway lengths and weather conditions (mostly high winds and summer heat) that can mean considerable payload restrictions for some aircraft types -- especially "older generation" types -- operating from BUR in some conditions.
 
flyboyaz
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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:10 am

BUR does have noise restrictions and a new airline would not be able to operate that plane in BUR. HP is grandfathered in since we've been flying there since the 80's. If an airline was flying that type of equip into BUR before the noise restriction policy, they are allowed to operate it even today. I got this information from the BUR website.

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eastbay
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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:14 am

Thanks for the replies..... I didn't even think of performance problems yesterday! Been a while since I've been to BUR, but I do remember the short runways, the terrain in the vicinity. Again, thanks for the information.
 
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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:14 am

As for aircraft performance issues at BUR, even with some newer types such as the 737-400, there are days (especially during the hottest months of summer or when the "Santa Ana winds" are active) when Alaska limits bookings on flights to PDX and SEA to around 65% (can be more or less) of pax capacity -- to avoid the liklihood of the need to make a fuel stop enroute on flights of less than 1,000 miles. In the days of 727 operations at BUR, the problem of payload restrictions was was more acute according to a friend who worked as a customer service agent at BUR at the time.

My guess would be that HP will not regularly schedule a 737-200 into BUR during the summer months. On the other hand, the 737-700 must be some kind of "hot rod" aircraft since Aloha operates the type regularly on its BUR-HNL non-stop service year around -- it's highly doubtful they would do so if faced with an occasional requirement to restrict payload on a marginal-yield route such a BUR-HNL.
 
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RE: HP 737-200 Into Burbank

Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:54 am


HP still flies the 737-200??? I had no idea! Seriously Embarrassment !?

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