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L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:12 pm

A few years ago I spotted an ATA L-1011 at MDW. I was younger then, and i might have seen another aircraft that was similar in size to the L-1011. Is it possible to fly an L-1011 into MDW? What is the biggest aircraft that can operate into MDW?

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:53 pm

Back in the late 70's or early 80's, I forget which, United dropped a DC 10 into MDW for a show-and-tell with personal relations(a little P.R.). It was there a few hours then flew back to ORD. I have some magazine photos of it around someplace. I do remember it was on a Saturday because a lot of people from the South Side came to see the big birdie.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:41 pm

I read once that a 757-300 is largest plane allowed to operate out of
MDW.

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:48 pm

An L1011 at MDW? Wow. That is a rare one in a lifetime. The biggest aircraft I ever flew into MDW was an SWA 737-300. That was also the only type of plane I ever flew to MDW Big grin
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:09 pm

It could've been there. Although it would've had to operate empty. I've seen L1011's take off at IND empty and use very little runway.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:42 pm

I remember a magazine called Airliners International from the 70's doing an article and photo shoot of an event at MDW where both a DC-10 and an A300 were brought in for public viewing/ tours. Don't ask me details.... that was a long time ago.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:08 am

WOW an L1011 at MDW. the city right now says the largest aircraft permitted is a 753. BUT the National Guard brings a C-5 in about 2 twice a year, for the Army guard unit @ KMDW. I would really like to see the Dc-10 thing about UAL I need to see it before I'll belive it. Remember folks we are talking about an airport that has 5400 feet usable landing runway vs. ORD with 13100 feet. THATS MORE THAN DOUBLE.

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:27 am

The L10 at MDW is definitely possible...once at MSP a few years ago I watched NWA's B747-151 (N601US) depart on a charter to GRB from runway 30L, and the jumbo only required a takeoff run of 3,200 feet!!!
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:37 am

.......and then NW can resume Chicago-Tokyo service with a DC-10 from MDW!
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:50 am

B757capt, you sure about the C-5's flying into MDW? I live within about four or five miles of MDW under the landing path and haven't seen a C-5 operating around. I've seen a couple of C-130's going in and out of there and maybe a DC-8 flying in the vicinity of MDW, but never a C-5. The residents around there b!+c# enough about noise coming from every other plane (like that shouldn't exist around airports  Yeah sure, gotta love people's common sense), so I highly doubt King Daley would be in favor of letting a C-5 in there.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:06 am

The widebodies perform well when their is not virtually any load, start adding load that changes. I dont recall or anyone here recalls us sending an L1011 to MDW although 5,400 is quite short to stop a L1011 or any widebody.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:21 pm

Tjwgrr, a long time ago it was but I have every copy of that publication to this day. It was only the A300.

I have quite a few FAA airport movement records buried in this mess I call home and have never seen mention of DC-10s or L-1011s into MDW. I might also add that runway length is not the only factor, though 6000' is quite enough for any empty aircraft.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:06 pm

Positive about the C-5 Captain Mike Benson USAF. 1999 November 17th. I've got all the info infront of me. If you ever get a chance go into the office for the AANG on 63rd and Central and you can see all the cool pictures on the walls.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:41 pm

There must have been exemptions for any of the widebodies to operate at MDW, since the max runway weights for double tandem wheels is 250,000, which is just about the EMPTY weight for an L-1011 or DC-10. With minimal fuel, they clearly would have been 30-50 thousand pounds over that limitation.

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:26 pm

When i was connecting on ATA on December 2003 an L-1011 pulled up to the gate next to the 738 I was on, so they do it every once in a while.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:35 pm

C5's use much less runway than an L1011... Burke Lakefront gets one for the airshow, 6000ft runway there.

 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:22 pm

"Tjwgrr, a long time ago it was but I have every copy of that publication to this day. It was only the A300.

I have quite a few FAA airport movement records buried in this mess I call home and have never seen mention of DC-10s or L-1011s into MDW. I might also add that runway length is not the only factor, though 6000' is quite enough for any empty aircraft."


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Thanks for the correction- memory is only one of the things that gets shorter with age.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I wish I still had copies of all those old magazines! Would be cool to see those photos again!
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:53 am

I seem to remember that UA brought a DC861 into MDW once, for an air show.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:11 am

I wonder if there's any pictures on A.net of anything wider than six rows, I'll have to check that out.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:06 am

American Trans Air never flew an L-1011 into Midway...ever. Numbers have been looked at by ATA to see if its feasible, and it is possible, but it has never been attempted. Not only is it a tight roll, the parking is the largest problem. But, no, no L-1011 has ever flown into Midway. I have read many accounts of it, but it is false.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:44 am

Man, that would be about as memorable as a 744 at Washington National!
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:07 am

Yes that is exactly right .....It was not a DC10...It was a DC8-61 of United Air Lines.......To quote the magazine... The captain of the DC8 was asked how he managed to geta "Stretched 8" into Midway and he said.. "Very carefully."
Airbus also brought in the prototype A300 for a demo...I have the article in an old Magazine from the 70s called Airliners International.

I too had heard from someone that they allegedly saw an ATA L1011 at MDW although its entirely possible, I am not sure that the runways are stressed for such a heavy bird.
Our airport here in Sterling/Rock Falls is long enuff to handle a 727-200 but its only stressed for a DC9-30....and When Ronald Reagan chartered his Orange Flying Colours 727-095 in here back in 1980 (see my picture of this bird elsewhere in this site) they thought the weight of the 727 would crumble the runway.
So unless I see an actual photo of an L1011 at MDW.....I am not convinced...
especially if the sighting was made by some one that doesn't know a DC10 from a VC-10.
The largest I have seen ever fly in there is the 757-300 of ATA....PERIOD.

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:08 am

Access-Air

sir you hit the nail on the head. I couldn't say it much better!
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:28 pm

Damn Access, I flew out there on my first solo cross country, I didn't know anyone on A.net is from out there!

Anyways, with my experience at Whiteside Co. I can say that is a monster main runway and taxiway they have out there for an uncontrolled corporate airport (compare to KLOT, and we get things the size of CRJ's and Global Expresses). However, It has to be a tight fit on the ramp for a DC-9 to park there on a busy weekend it would seem. When we had NASCAR weekend and every racer brought out their jet, they had to park a Brasilia next to the school's 737-200 all the way across the field because ramp space was so limited.


Anyways, back on the subject, I checked the stats and MDW's runways can handle much more weight than SNA's runways, and FedEx A310's and occasionally A300's fly out of there all the time, though to I don't know where, so a widebody at MDW can't be fully out of the question, just try telling the cry-wolf-over-the-noise-pollution brats bordering the field and his royal highness King Daley that it's possible, that'll be pretty hard.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:21 am

Talked to many of our L1011 Pilots and logstics people, and they say that they have nothing in the records showing a L1011 at MDW.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:27 am

SSTjumbo- You soloed at Whiteside Co.? I fly out of Shaumburg and hear guys on the CTAF flying in and out of Whiteside all the time. If flown over SQI but never into it......big airport for not having a tower.

Biggist airplane ive seen into MDW is a 753. Im sure a few of you guys are right about FedEx flying an A310 or A300 in there but i dont know if the ATA L1011 or a UA DC-10 has or ever will be at MDW. Doesnt seem like Daley would EVER allow that, expecially now. If closed down Meigs for safty conserns im sure he wont let an L1011 come in to MDW. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:00 pm

I lived under the approach to MDW 4R for 28 years and I can never remember seeing anything larger land at Midway other then 737,727,DC9/MD 80 and 757. Not to say it didn't happen or anything but that I don't remember seeing anything other those typical MDW aircraft. Just thought this was interesting being that this discussion hit close to home and my reasons for finding aviation interesting.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:14 am

"Doesnt seem like Daley would EVER allow that, expecially now. If closed down Meigs for safty conserns im sure he wont let an L1011 come in to MDW." - Bobs89irocz

Ok I know it's off topic but it needs to be said. I'm so sick and tired of listening to people believing this bull that Meigs was closed for safety reasons. Daily wanted it closed long before 9/11 but he couldn't make it happen. It was finally closed because he exploited a national tragedy to get what he wanted. Keep in mind people that it WASN'T CLOSED, IT WAS DESTROYED!!! He went in there in the middle of the night and demolished it. It makes me sick to think that someone would be so cold hearted as to use a tragedy that affected and even destroyed so many people's lives for his own personal gain.

Secondly, I just wanted to comment about the C-5's into MDW. I find it very hard to believe that they are able to get a C-5 out of there. I have in the past however, seen military cargo aircraft at Midway that look almost identical to the C-5 but it is much much smaller. I don't remember the name of it but I think it's the star-some thing or other. The C-5 is a MASSIVE aircraft and anyone who has ever stood next to one will agree. So I don't think it is a C-5 MDW but rather it's little brother. I will say this though. If they really have had a C-5 at MDW getting a L-1011 in there would be a walk in the park.

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:24 am

Man, that would be about as memorable as a 744 at Washington National!

DCA did have a UAL DC10 divert there, sometime in the late 90's early 00's.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:06 am

A Starlifter landing at MDW is just as significant as a Galaxy I would think.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:22 am

STARLIFTER...THAT'S IT!!!!! Thanks Cicadajet!!! I've been trying to think of its name all day.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:26 am

When UA donated a 727-100 to the Field Museum of Chicago, it landed at CGX and was towed across Lake Shore Drive. I'm trying to find the pictures to post.
 
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:25 am

Also, C-130's used to practice at Meigs in case of a crisis that would involve the need to transport massive amounts of people or haul in large amounts of supplies. In addition, the origional BAe-146 design was flown in and out of Meigs when they were trying to push the idea of STOLports. Unfortunately, that never surfaced anywhere and never would have surfaced in Chicago as long as Lord Daleyquat remained in power.
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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:43 pm

7574ever, Better know as Captain. W...... Listen chief we have been friends for years. Don't doubt the C-5 @ MDW I have pictures and there signed by the pilots. ARE THERE ANY AIR FORCE GUYS ON HERE THAT CAN BACK THAT DATA????

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:17 pm

ORDnDFW777
I know its off subject but the 727 is at the museum of science and Industry, I go visit my friends every year and make sure I see the 727 since its my fav aircraft and its right over that massive model railroad (have one like it in my room next to my model airport). However I have seen a ATA L1011 at PIE before they expanded the runway

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RE: L-1011 At MDW

Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:32 pm

You could, B757capt. It's not very expensive to have a photo digitized. It would be unique enough in my opinion to be accepted on this site.

But yes, more than one C-5 has landed at MDW, they are quite light when empty in regards to runway load.
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