Cory6188
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EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:52 am

Does EWR ever change the configuration of their runways. I fly out of EWR often, and it seems as if 4L is only used for takeoff, 4R is only used for landing, and 11-29 is never used for anything. Why is this?
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:54 am

Keep in mind, the runways in use at EWR are based on the actives at LGA and JFK. It might be that 11-29 doesn't allow for an arrival or departure during certain wind conditions because it might bring planes through the flight path at the other 2 airports.

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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:55 am

They use all the runways and often.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:56 am

actually 11/29 is used on really windy days for landings,when the crosswind is just too much for the 4/22s. it is only 6800 ft long,and is good for loaded takeoff s for 727 size aircraft at best.
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:15 am

I have seen 11 used quite a bit toward the end of July. I have family out in the Summit area, right under the approach for 11. Some days, I just sit out in their back yard and watch Continental 737s come in every couple minutes.

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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:06 am

Cory6188 - The reason why 4R is uses for take-off and 4L for landing is not just for ERW, every airport that has parallel runways uses that method. So if you turn around then 22L would be used for take-off and 22R for landing, its always the runway closer to the terminals is the one for take-offs.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:14 am

An Airport uses certain runways becuase of wind not because of other airport in the surronding area. If EWR is landing and departing on 4L/4R then LGA and JFK will more than likely have the same wind conditions and if i am not mistaken both JFK and LGA have runways 4's

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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:36 am

The only reason that I could think of for 4L being used for takeoffs is because it is 11,000' long and 4R, at 9,900', is used for landings because airplanes don't need as much space to land. However, I know I may be totally wrong.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:39 am

4L is for t/o because it is closer to the terminal. But they are times when the widebodies request land on the left side

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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:30 pm

The inner parallel 4L/22R is used for takeoffs otherwise all traffic in queue for departure would need to cross the approach end of the active parallel. EWR often has 15-20 aircraft in queue for takeoff.
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:26 pm

Is 1/29 one of the original runways for EWR? If so, I believe TWA 707s (bound for New Mexico?) used to use it for departure on occasion amongst others... can't recall any wide-bodies doing it though.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:37 pm

When I flew in one from BHX to EWR on the 752, we were put on gridlock, had to circle in the sky for an hour till the landing time, however, instead of waiting an hour, it only took 15 mins because we landed on 11. Thought i was gonna miss my connection but luckily never.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:53 am

Once in January 1987 I watched a Delta DC-8-71 take off from 29, I was surprised to see a heavy depart from that short, DCA-length runway. The 8 leapt airborne pretty quickly so it couldn't have been too heavily loaded. I was aboard a Piedmont 737-300 that took off from 29 that same morning.

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RE: EWR Runways

Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:27 am

Hello all,

RWY's 4L and 22R are used for take off. For 22R they ususally depart from "Whisky" Intercpetion, so they do not have to cross RWY29/11

These RWY's are longer and also, departing planes do not have to cross active RWY.

Regarding 29/11. When 22L is used for arrivals, many regional jets ask to arrive on RWY 29. THis is due shortened taxi time. COA RJ park alongside Terminal C.

When RWY4R is used, RWY11 is used as well. It is nice when one drives on Route 1/9 and you see ERJ to land infront of you!!

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RE: EWR Runways

Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:15 am

I was a Flight Attendant for PEOPLExpress and I remember on a few windy days we would take off towards the west on either 11/29 (whichever it was) on a 747-200 to SFO and LGW. So the runway has to obviously be long enough...I do remember a very long engine spool-up before brake release though...the Captain would always tell us of this special takeoff since it was a bit different.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:01 am

EWR's runway 11/29 gets used on a daily basis, however they get more use out of it on windy days.

I've seen 747s, A340s, 777s landing on 11/29.

They also use it for departures, again mostly on windy days.
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:15 am

Is 11/29 the runway that is perpendicular to the New Jersey Turnpike? On several occassions, my wife and I have been driving and from a distance, it looks like the planes that are passing over the turnpike are about to hit one of the onramps. Of course, it's an optical illusion and the plane lands safely....but those planes are pretty low...when you're driving south on the turnpike and you see a plane approaching dead at you from the left, it tends to make you...well...tighten a sphincter or two.
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:27 am

I was on the way to the airport on Saturday and looked up and saw a 767 approaching. It went wide and turned and landed on 11/29. It is a real nice sight to be driving and see the large planes cross over the turnpike and land.
Newark was using that runway a lot last year as they resurfaced one of the major runways.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:29 am

Check out the height of the lamp posts on the Turnpike near exit 14, the are little stubs to avoid striking aircraft.
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:46 am

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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:53 am

There was an article on the front page about the New York area's crowded skies from Sunday's The Record for any of you who get the paper.
 
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:10 am

I flew out of EWR about a month ago on a very busy day and 22R was being used for take offs and landings and 22L and 11 were being used for landings but 11 had much less traffic than 22L and 22R.
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RE: EWR Runways

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:23 am

Heavy's do use 11/29 at EWR. Crosswinds have to be quite intense I believe.


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RE: EWR Runways

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:08 am

It's almost common for heavies to land on 29-- but do they ever land on 11?

Props depart 29, and occasionally jets-- but does anyone ever depart 11?