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Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:14 am

United has terminal A-1 all to themselves at Newark, in which some gates that United has are not always use. Do you think Ted will experiment with EWR on some routes?
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:46 am

Probably not. Most of United's routes from NYC are on higher yielding business routes so they have no need to put Ted here.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:50 am

I second that motion RJpieces, well put!
 
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:52 am

If they fly to EWR it will be to Denver, perhaps they "might" take over UAL's flights from EWR to LAX or SFO.

It's all speculation though, and UAL owns Terminal A "Concourse" 1, not the WHOLE terminal. UAL has about 9 gates in A-1 Concourse, they share one or two with Airtran.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:11 pm

I could see TED using the A-320's to attempt to compete with Song, jetBlue, Spirit, Southwest, and just about every single other US-based carrier as an attempt to gain marketshare in that lucrative leisure market from the New York City area to Florida...presently, the only way to fly on United from the New York City area to FLL or PBI is through ORD, at least until TED starts flying IAD-FLL...
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:13 pm

United does not see to be that interested in the NYC area as of late, so I would say no in reference to the TED question.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:22 pm

Flyguy-Tell me about that one...I remember one time trying to book JFK-IAH on a free ticket, they told me I could either connect in both IAD and ORD, or connect in SFO...problem was, they wouldn't let me reimburse my VDB comp for either flight, due to the double-connecting and out-of-way-flight, so I "settled" for LGA-ORD-IAH...
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:32 pm

SHUpirate1, there are more than enough airlines operating NYC-Florida flights. United has never really tried to grab this market, a few years back they had LGA-MIA, but they never operated NYC-FLL nonstop AFAIK.

Although I do wish US would start NYC-Florida nonstop again, that way I could earn my miles on United!  Smile
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:45 pm

There was the brief period in the early 1990s when UAL was trying to build Orlando into a hub, they had 3 flights each from EWR and LGA.

Did not last too long, also UAL flew EWR-MIA in addition to the previously mentioned LGA-MIA.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:57 pm

UA also flew JFK-MIA, this ended sometime in early 2003.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:24 pm

I would think EWR-LAS may be a route to try. With song's plans on hold, this may be a route that might 'Take Off  Smile
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:26 pm

What I REALLY don't understand about UA's scheduling out of JFK is why they overfly their two largest hubs from JFK, effectively sending any non-transcon domestic traffic they might have had out of JFK to either LGA or other carriers...
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:35 pm

Flyguy1, I don't think UA ever flew JFK-MIA nonstop, if they did it was probably a Saturday only flight.....STT757...?
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:41 pm

After UA dropped South America from JFK, they operated JFK-MIA for sometime. I assume this was meant to provide coverage for passengers on those services. RJpieces, you act as if STT is all knowing, and im not Big grin
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:46 pm

NO! lol, i'm sorry, i didn't mean for it to come off that way. STT just always seems to know the history of NYC aviation related stuff, that's why I asked him.

Do you remember what kind of aircraft it was?
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:54 pm

No problem, just joking with  Smile. It was a 767-300ER.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:58 am

I defer to to Flyguy1 on this one, he's correct that UAL flew a 767-300 between JFK and MIA. It was once a day, I don't remember if it was daily or not.

Heck UAL also flew from JFK-SJU, 1-2 757s on the weekends.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:16 am

Despite being a huge market, the NYC market is such a cluttered scene I don't see UA having any big interest in expanding what they already have there.
 
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:37 am

Klwright:
True UA would most likely not want to expand in the NYC area right now, but they have shrunk a lot from the past. Gone are such routes as JFK-GRU, EZE, CCS, BOS, PHL, CLK, SJU and less frequencies to LAX, and SFO. EWR lost LHR, MIA, and has half the flights to LAX, and SFO from the past. LGA lost service to MIA, though that was the only non hub flying the had.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:10 am

To clairify:

United flew EWR-MIA for a long time with a 727-200 in the Mid 90s. I remember in 2002 United had a saturday and Sunday flight to MIA on an A320. That route was later dropped.
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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:14 am

TED's plans for now seem to be that on routes where TED flies, normal mainline UA service is completely eliminated, and I just dont see that happening at EWR to any UA hub anytime soon...

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RE: Will TED Make It To EWR

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:04 am

UA isn't going to fly TED on any city-pair on which they don't face nonstop LCC competition. TED, like MetroJet before it, is a strictly-reactive measure not intended to offer a lower-fare product *anywhere* the higher-CASM mainline product doesn't face direct competition. Icky low fares are not to be encouraged wherever it isn't necessary.

UA also experimented with flights from LGA to Upstate New York in 1984. I remember that for a few months then, UA flew four nonstop dailies on ROC-LGA. But USAir and Empire were established in that city-pair at the time, so UA couldn't make a go of it. More high-CASM network-carrier or regional-carrier capacity wasn't needed.

However, the following year, People Express entered ROC-EWR, and demand to the New York market skyrocketed. More demand was there, it just needed the right price. As JetBlue is reminding us today.

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