VSGirl
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Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:30 pm

What’s been your worst experience with a dumpy landing?

Mine was in JFK flying British Airways on a Boeing 777 in 1997, we touched down hard, and well it was hard! From the minute the landing gear went down you could see the wings moving up and down, engines changing pitch all the time. It felt like once we where 10ft or so above the runway we just ‘fall’ out the sky, it even hurt my neck!

See this link below, I would not want to be on that jet!
http://users.onvol.net/115951/A321CrosswindLanding.asx

So what’s your worst experience?

Kimberly.
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:37 pm

Landing at REU on an Airtours DC-10 in 2001. Didn't feel particularly bumpy on the way down, but we hit the runway with an almighty thud - it's the only landing where I would have been really thrown off my seat if I hadn't had my seat belt on. It's also the only landing where nearly everyone in the cabin, including the cabin crew I was sitting near, exclaimed "ouch" of "oooofff" or even "s**t". Landing at Dublin in a FR 732 was also fun, similar to VSGirl's account of the BA 777 above.

[Edited 2004-02-16 13:38:03]
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:43 pm

Most of my landings have, as far as I could tell, been pretty 'normal'.

VSGirl - how come you don't contribute in the Tech/Ops forum, being a professional pilot and all?
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:51 pm

Pe@rson,

As I have once or twice in the past, but normally people bet me too it  Big grin I am just too slow  Sad

Kimberly.
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:54 pm

VSGirl,

Why dont we talk about your bumpy landings!  Big grin

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:08 pm

Simon, me old mucker, I really have to tell you how to chat-up a lass.  Wink/being sarcastic But for now, I'll watch you and laugh.  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud

Yours kindly,

James.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:13 pm

Hey Airplanepics (Simon),

I don’t do dumpy landings (I so wish that where true)... JFK can sometimes be troublesome due to heavy crosswinds on runway 31R as can LHR.

Pe@rson,

He is not doing that bad  Big grin

Kimberly.

 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:14 pm

Arriving at MAN after a flight from YYC on an Airtours 763, wasn't particularly bumpy at all but I could see the airport and runway through my window until we were pretty much on top of it. We touched down hard and you could feel this yawing motion as the thrust reversers kicked in. Was quite cool as well because it was snowing and stuff.. mmm.
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:16 pm

Lol @ VS Girl.

Cant blame a guy trying to get a jump seat!  Big grin


Simon

[Edited 2004-02-16 14:18:11]
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:18 pm

Airplanepics,

So what about you, any bumpy landings on your record book?

Kimberly  Big grin
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:21 pm

hmmmm - had a cool one in Chicago, in a snow storm!

Also had one at LGW, I believe the captain was on something, as he used the reverse thrust, then put it back to idle again, and then reverse thrust! Strange feeling......!


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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:23 pm

Don't forget that one when flying with The Hand, Simon.  Laugh out loud Terribly bumpy, if I recall your trip report correctly.

Annnyyway, I'll keep quiet. Big grin
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:24 pm

Mine was on a flight from LGW to Mahon (Balearic islands in the med) ,
on a brand new 737-400.

The windshear was so bad we literally dropped onto the runway .
Everyone got off with whiplash, and the plane was grounded until they had carried out a check ( they thought the wings had bent  Wow! ).

It felt bad , and all the passengers got off very quietly - the captain refused to come out of the f/d for disembarkation, and in true british style, carried on as if nothing had happened ( i think its called living in denial )  Insane

When he did eventually come out , he appeared a little flushed in the cheeks!
What made it worse is that autobrake had been set to max to try the new plane out / so apart from the downward force ( being pushed into your seat) everybody was then flung forwards . . . just another day !!
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:25 pm

Which airline was that? I once flew with Britannia Airways on a B762 and we landed at LGW, Captain started with a little reverse, then at 100kts (or there about) he open the reverse to full, or what felt/sounded like.

Thinking about it, most of my dumpy landings have been in Boeing 767 & Boeing 777's, odd!?

Kimberly  Smile
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:28 pm

Don't forget that one when flying with The Hand, Simon. Terribly bumpy, if I recall your trip report correctly

What are you on?!

It was on a Futura 738.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:39 pm

That 734 landing was with AirUK Leisure (now part of Air2000) !

I've worked on the 767 for 8 years now,and often sit at 3L/3R, the landings often 'feel' bumpy, buy its due to the fact its rare undercarriage design ( frint wheels hanging forward) , so as it touches down, it tends to wallop the rear ones down pretty sharp behind it! (At least thats what the flight crew say Big grin)!

It sounds alot worse than it actually is!

The sensations in the F/D / upfront are very different - you often get crew at doors 3 saying what a thump , yet people at door 1 are totally oblivious - i think its the noise more than anything!

Tho we took the 763 into Aberdeen one night on minimum viz - that WAS a thump!!!!
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:43 pm

Boo25,

That could explain it, but I was up front :s I take it you’re an f/a? For A2K?

Kimberly.
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:46 pm

reminds me of:

a good landing is one you can walk away from

a great landing is one where you can use the aircraft again

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:56 pm

DAL-ELP on WN a while ago. Looked out the window when we were really close to the ground, and we were perpendicular to the runway. Quite an experience, the FAA closed the airport for a few hours right after we landed because of the cross winds!

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:54 pm

My worst crosswind experience was not during landing, but takeoff from EDI with BD going to LHR. While sitting at the gate prior to pushback, I already felt the plane slightly rocking back and forth, and was wondering what that was. Then, on takeoff roll, it kept feeling as though the plane was about to get blown sideways off the runway. The pilot must have had quite a bit of rudder input there! Anyways, after takeoff, there was more turbulence than I had ever experienced in my many years of flying. Fortunately, after reaching cruising altitude, it calmed down, and approach and landing into LHR were smooth. Pretty scary!

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:05 am

OK, does a landing I've personally performed in a single engine trainer count?

For the record, I fly these little suckers out of Northeast Philadelphia (KPNE) for my PPL training. We've got 6 of them at my flight school, including 2 in the paint job shown below.


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Well, back in December, it was my first time back in the air after a month off. My instructor had me take us over to Doyelstown (DYL), a little 3000 X 50 foot slab of asphalt. Mind you this was my first short and narrow field experience. Guess I'm spoiled using those 7000 X 150 runways at PNE. Anyway, of course there had to be a 10 to 12 knot crosswind up there, not to mention a really long row of hangars next to the runway that tend to cause some chop on short final. Since I hadn't flown in a while, I think I started the flare a little too low, and while I was kicking in some rudder to straighten up with the runway I kinda smacked the ground pretty good.

Then one time way back earlier last year, I was in the middle of a normal flare back home at PNE, when some freak wind shift or gust caused me to suddenly drop on to the asphalt. My instructor was actually surprised too.

Its really amazing how dynamic and volatile the air can be at times, unbeknownst to all those mere mortals down on the ground.  Smile

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:28 am

Does MS-FS2k4 count too? I made some real hard ones there...including JFK...and as a beginner I refused to listen to ATC prior to landing...so it was always fun to see, what would be happening...hehe
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:54 am

Well I had always good landings. But I was out spotting one day at 18R-36L at AMS with very heavy cross winds when I saw a NW DC-10 bouncing over the runway. It needed three touchdowns and a lot of burning rubber. I was standing real close when I saw that. It scared the hell out of me. I wonder how the passengers on board felt.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:08 am

Wagz,
I was in DYL yesterday! I flew down from Nashua, NH in an M20J for a commercial requirement, and turned it into lunch with my parents near the airport. Luckily, the winds were calm.

But my worst crosswind was probably last Sunday when I flew a 172 with one of my roomates. We were returning to ASH and the wind was out of the limits I would have normally flown in. The approach was much worse than the touchdown itself; I got lucky and it didn't hit too hard. You can see a video of it here. It doesn't come close to capturing how much I had to fight it on final, but the weird noise you can hear is actually the wind so that gives you an idea what the weather was doing. It was 350 at 22 gusting 32 when we were on final! A landing speed of 75 KIAS makes that tough!

http://www.thethirddimension.net/willtemp/Videos/Aviation/nicks/Nashua%20LLWS.mpg

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:08 am

December 94' I was on a AA MD-80 on final approach to ISP in a rain storm and windy conditions. This pilot was having a tough time keeping us steady and you could feel him inching the plane down a little at a time, when we touched down we hit hard, scared the whole flight out of our minds. I was glad when we stopped I tell ya!
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:10 am

Correction to that last post. Airline wasn't AA it was USAir.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:17 am

Mine was in JFK flying British Airways on a Boeing 777 in 1997, we touched down hard, and well it was hard! From the minute the landing gear went down you could see the wings moving up and down, engines changing pitch all the time. It felt like once we where 10ft or so above the runway we just ‘fall’ out the sky, it even hurt my neck!

With phraseology like this, it appears you have very little to no aviation knowledge.

Maybe things aren't always what they (try to) appear to be..... Big grin
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:23 am

My first solo...


Thought I broke the gear, the first thing I checked when I shut the engine down was the landing gear, didn't even take the key out...
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:51 am

"With phraseology like this, it appears you have very little to no aviation knowledge."

I hope you're joking, right? VSGirl is a F/O, so I wouldn't question her knowledge of aviation if I were you...!

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:00 am

I used to tout that my worst experience was an AA F100 Captain that tried to cram the landing gear up through the cabin one night at ORD. Then I started flying myself and I have shut up ROFLMAO.
 
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:27 am

Hey Nick,

Nice landing there. Gotta love these Winter winds. That's the main reason I haven't been back in the air for a good two months now. The days I'm free, It's either raining, snowing, sleeting, or the winds are completely insane. I'm surprised my instrcutor hasn't called me up to make sure I was still alive.

How long was that landing role? It didn't look like much. With winds that strong your ground speed must have been somewhere in the 50s. For the record how long is that runway? It looks like those taxiways are roughly evenly spaced down the length, and considering you made the first one, that's pretty damn good.

By the way, I checked your homepage through your profile. I think that's Hog Island Road you're standing on in that photo. I'd recognize that tall grass anywhere.

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:12 pm

How long was that landing role? It didn't look like much.
From the time the wheels touched to the time we were at taxi speed was about 300 feet.

With winds that strong your ground speed must have been somewhere in the 50s.
My safety pilot, the one videoing, said he saw about 40 knots groundspeed on the GPS on final.

For the record how long is that runway?
5500'.

It looks like those taxiways are roughly evenly spaced down the length, and considering you made the first one, that's pretty damn good.
The taxiways are about every 1000' feet.

And yes, that's Hog Island Rd. on my website. Right near the Fort Mifflin entrance.

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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:28 pm

I hope you're joking, right? VSGirl is a F/O, so I wouldn't question her knowledge of aviation if I were you...!

Come now, do you believe everything you see on the Internet? You best be careful.

I doubt what "she" alleges...let's just put it that way.  Big grin Other REAL verified pilots agree with me.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:50 pm

in,march,'93 while flying a DC3 freighter into manassas ,va. we had to go missed because the x-wind was 42 knots direct and accelerating,we broke out of the murk at 800feet,crabbing at an insane angle toward the runway,there was no way i was going to straighten her out ,land,and keep her on the runway and in one piece. so we poured the coals to her,went missed approach and climbed back into those ultra-violent clouds and diverted to dulles,only 20 miles away where the same winds were only 50 degrees to the runway heading there. the turbulence which had been moderate became severe,the airspeed was swinging in 15kt arcs above and below ref speed,i was shoving power in ,and pulling it off,trying to remain near the glideslope,and localizer.finally we broke out at minimums,the wind gusting to 52,this time,and after a massive battle we were able to get her on the runway,keep her on the runway,and taxi off. the rain was horizontal when we shut down and the wind was still accelerating,peak gusts later exceeding 70 kts. a northeaster had backed into the eastern seaboard 12 hours earlier than forecast giving us that battle royale.to this day that was the roughest wx i have fought thru in any ship. God's grace.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:58 pm

I agree with JBirdAV8r. You shouldn't believe everything you see on the net!!
I did a little search on the net for the name "Kimberly Illshinaa" AKA VSGirl and came up with this link

http://www.texas-atlantic.com/roster.php?page=6

which is a virtual airline. Here Kimberly describes herself as

I am a Purser for British Airways on long haul flights, mainly on North / South America. I am female, single and live in London England. I have been using FS for the past four years and have never flown for a VA before

No big deal. Just a bit of A.Net fun
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:27 pm

Landing in TPE in Typhoon season was fun, I was sitting at the back on SQ 744.
We were all over the place on descent, and then finally we hit the runway, if almost felt liked we bounced, the cabin plastic all shreaked from the shock, we then had a strong rudder correction and it felt like the plane was going to tip over.
I have had the same feeling landing in MEL on an MH 744, same course correction upon touchdown, very unnerving, feels like the plane is off balance.
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RE: Cross Wind Landings

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:59 pm

Kudos to YHMfan for a great observation!  Big thumbs up Welcome to A.net, by the way.

Incidentally, it seems like my worst landings always happen on the first flight after I add another certificate/rating...
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