yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:14 am

Looks like the GRU flight will become a reality. The CEO of MEA is currently in Brazil.

Probably working out a few issues. Should hear an announcement soon.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:21 am

Mohammed El-Hout is in Brazil?

Hopefully he's working some things out.

I really DO NOT think that they can do GRU without adding another aircraft or else substituting the A321s on some of the A332 routes. Especially in the summer when the demand is greater and london is a daily service.

I suppose they could manage it by majorly increasing fleet utilization but somehow I don't see it happening, lets not forget that F-OHLO will be gone by summer...

People have said that MEA will not be adding any new aircraft to the fleet.

Without having tried to work out the scheduling of the 9 aircraft between the destinations to be served...I will say that I do not think it is feasible to add a GRU service with the current fleet. Even if it is just 2x a week...
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:26 am

by the way did we ever figure out of MEA can fly from dakar to sao paulo with the A332s?

In terms of range it should be possible to fly nonstop at 233 mtow.

PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:27 am

AirxLiban,
The President of Lebanon is in Brazil on an official visit and El-hout is there as well.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:40 am

lets try to calculate how much of a time saving it would be for the lebanese diaspora in brazil to go home:

lets assume GRU-CDG-BEY

lets assume:

AF 455 GRU-CDG

connecting to

AF 564 operated by MEA

= 17 hours and 20 minutes

now on the return:

AF 565 BEY-CDG

AF 454 CDG-GRU

=20 hours and 35 minutes

now if MEA was to have a direct service:

GRU to BEY is about 6668 mi

so something like 12 hours or so on the eastbound.

not a bad saving, unless one likes CDG.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
MEA321
Posts: 381
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:28 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:47 am

I don't think El-Hout is in Brazil to work out any problems right now. In fact I dont see the Sao Paulo route happening this summer. Most likely El-Hout is tagging along with Lahoud to investigate the cargo/passenger market in Brazil for any future (as in 2005) decisions.

Maybe some talks are going on with Varig?

Airxliban,

The A332 can definitely fly the DKR-GRU leg, the only issue for MEA was attaining the ETOPS for the route since it exceeds the current rating they have. However it is easily achievable.

MEA321
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:01 pm

I was going to post this, but I've been busy this weekend. Yes, El-Hout is in Brazil to talk about starting Sao Paulo service. We should hear an announcement in March. MEA will be dry-leasing at least 1 A330 this summer, perhaps from Lufthansa.

lets not forget that F-OHLO will be gone by summer...

It's already gone.

The A330-200 can easily fly DKR-GRU at MTOW.

the only issue for MEA was attaining the ETOPS for the route since it exceeds the current rating they have.

They have 120min. ETOPs, more than enough for BEY-DKR-GRU.

Regards

"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:07 pm

Gentlemen,

In case you haven't noticed. Air Gabon is returning to Beirut this summer. Looks like one weekly B767 with a stop in DXB.

Hopefully, I can get more info on this.

Regards
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:26 pm

Yegbey01,

Where did you find out about Air Gabon?

Is it seasonal?

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:32 pm

Apparently, the flight will be as I said once a week.

GN 702/703 B762
LBV-DXB-BEY-LBV. They won't be selling tickets on the DXB-BEY sector.

Flights are due to start in April. Maybe they will increase eventually. They used to operate twice weekly back in 2002.
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:42 pm

Yup, it's a triangle route.

Flights start on March 30 and I think it is seasonal ending in October...

Not 100% sure though. Do you have an article?

When they operated it in 2002, what aircraft did they use? Was is it also a triangle route?

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
mozart
Posts: 2023
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:21 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:58 pm

Will the fact that GN comes to BEY change MEA's African plans? In any case, i haven't heard anything about those African destinations in a long time, not at least since some weeks after the COO crash.
 
MEA310
Posts: 633
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2002 8:52 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:47 am

They mentioned in the news tonight that El Hout is there to discuss the plans of operating a direct link between Lebanon & Brazil.Nothing else was mentioned.
F-OMEA flew the president there,it was a 15 hour non-stop from BEY.

MEA310
M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
 
MEA330
Posts: 179
Joined: Fri Aug 30, 2002 7:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:23 am

We should hear an official statement within a week regarding MEA and the route to Brazil.
By the way F-OHLO is still operating flights for MEA in an all white colour scheme, ahead of redelivery to ILFC in March.
 
MarcoPolo747
Posts: 446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 7:37 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:33 am


JJ flies daily GRU-CDG and GRU-MIA with their A332s, shouldn't be a problem for ME flying BEY-GRU via whatever city in West Africa with its 332s.
Former ME sevice with 313s was via Banjul or Abidjan (I can't remember)
 
User avatar
TR763
Posts: 752
Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2001 10:07 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:35 am

Hi there!
If this happens, it´s not going to be the first time. I think that some years ago MEA had regular flights to São Paulo with their 742. I´m almost sure of that (reg. flight), but maybe I´m wrong... Here is a picture of their Boeing in GRU:
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jose Francisco Gouvea V. Filho

Image
Picture by Justin Cederholm at MCO.
 
donder10
Posts: 6944
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:41 am

At least when MEA say they will fly a service they turn up.Air Gabon have an amazing ability to cancel service at the last moment and turn up 4 hours late when they want.


Have MEA confirmed the Cotonou service?
 
MarcoPolo747
Posts: 446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 7:37 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:44 am

TR763,

Yes, ME had a regular flight to GRU, started with twice weekly 747 service, later they switched gauge to the A310-300 and when the exchange crisis hit they cancelled the route.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:51 am

F-OMEA flew the president there,it was a 15 hour non-stop from BEY.

ARE THERE ANY PICTURES????????????

PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
donder10
Posts: 6944
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:02 am

Out of interest when did the large Lebanese diaspora leave the homeland?70-80s or before that?
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:40 am

It started in the late 1800's and throughout the early 1900's.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
donder10
Posts: 6944
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:42 am

Thanks BA.
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:07 am

There will be another meeting between the MEA and Varig offiicials in March in Paris.. (why Paris.. no clue). That's when the announcement is expected to take place.

We shall see...................
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:59 am

A follow up:

The meeting will take place march 11 in Paris between MEA and officials from "two" other airlines from Brazil.

el-Hout reported that there are currently 22,500 pax per year that come from Brazil to Beirut. He wants to see 50,000 pax before he can push for re-opening the route as MEA can not capture the entire market.

I guess, he's probably looking to partner with varig to split the costs.
 
RG777
Posts: 38
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:39 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:08 pm

There is a fact to be considered:

The lebanese comunity in Brazil, specialy in São Paulo, is very big.
The fact that Lebanon today is a great destination for tourism and bussiness, and that GRU is the gateway to South America, it seams to be normal the intention of MEA to be flying again to Brazil.

Hugs
RG777

 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:47 pm

22,500 a year is not enough to fill 2x weekly A330-200s..........

It could work if they do it via Dakar or some other destination to collect more passengers.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:40 pm

BA,

22500 pax are each way. That means theer are about 850 pax per week each direction.

If MEA gets a 50% share of that, they could rung twice weekly service.

But it will mean that MEA will have to get a new A/C to run the service.

The question then becomes utilization. You dont want a brand new A332 sitting in the hangar.

el-Hout wants to run 3 or 4 weekly to keep the A/C at full utilization
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:53 pm

Yegbey01,

You're right, but that's still not enough because throughout the year, there will be deviations in loads. It won't remain constant. You have the high and low season.

They will definately need the 50,000 annually which I think they can achieve if they promote the route. The goal is also to increase business between Lebanon and Brazil. So we should see lots of Brazilian businessmen on the flight along with Lebanese businessmen.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
MEA310
Posts: 633
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2002 8:52 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:15 am

AirxLiban

Unfortunately no photos are available, I was able to check it in last night's news report.Hope spotters at GRU managed to get some shots...

MEA310
M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:10 am

The A330 did not fly to GRU.

It flew to a secret military base in Brasilia. Since it's a secret military base, I doubt you will find photos.  Smile

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:09 am

It flew to a secret military base in Brasilia. Since it's a secret military base, I doubt you will find photos.

In that case maybe I shouldn't keep my fingers crossed...

makes sense however if official negotiations were going on.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:42 am

Incidentally where are we expecting the dry leased A332 to come from?

LH's are PW.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
toBEYwithMEA
Posts: 298
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:22 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:46 pm

does anyone think that they can get them from Air France??????
MEA FLYING HIGH AND RETURING TO IT FORMER GLORY!
 
MEA321
Posts: 381
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:28 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:13 am

Im thinking U.S. Airways... Lufthansa has so few A330s and they are just starting to utilize them on their respective routes: BOS, PHL, YUL, JFK, among other routes. The A332s that Lufthansa picked up were ex-Sabena, are there any others left out there that haven't been picked up?
MEA321
 
MEA330
Posts: 179
Joined: Fri Aug 30, 2002 7:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:16 am

When will you give up the dream guys?
The press reports talk of a meeting in March between MEA and Varig/TAM. It looks like it's a diplomatic way to diffuse the attention from the political pressure to start a flight to GRU. While you are debating the available A330s out there!
We all wish MEA the best and ... Good Luck with the dream
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:45 am

People, let's not assume that MEA will lease an A330 from another airline.

Have you ever thought they might buy one or lease a brand new one fresh out of the Airbus plant?

What MEA could do is buy one slot from any airline that is scheduled to take delivery of an A330 and voila....MEA will have a brand new, shiny A330, custom built specifically for MEA by this summer.

Let's just wait and see what happens. It is clear that MEA will need a 4th A330 if they fly to GRU. But let's keep other things open besides them leasing a used A330 or having a brand new one built for them.

I think there is a strong possibility that Varig or TAM will operate the route and code-share with MEA........

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:45 am

I think Airbus should give MEA an honourary A330-200 as a gift because of MEA's commitment to Airbus over the last 10 years!

They have operated A310-200, 300, A300-605R, A320, A321 and A330!!

And they have redefined how nice the A330 can look!

LOL

Air Liban
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:48 am

France kinda did give MEA a gift back in 1997.

Those 2 A320s and 2 A321s that MEA got from ILFC back in 1997 were greatly financed by the French government.....
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
MEA321
Posts: 381
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:28 am

RE: MEA CEO In Brazil....

Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:54 am

MEA330,

Thanks for your insight, but telling us to give up a dream seems an overstatement on your behalf. Its a hobby for some people to speculate on matters which interest them. These posts on A-net are mostly speculation mixed with informed responses. Nobody here knows for sure what the future will hold for MEA, but following a company which has a story as dramatic as MEA's is something that any aviation fan would do for his/her national airline...

Your input makes is appreciated, thanks again but I just HAVE to argue against your first statement.
MEA321

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AsiaTravel, Channex757, cuban8, Google Adsense [Bot], Heavierthanair, hunter58, RalXWB, rickabone, tacobell101, Wingtip1005, Yahoo [Bot] and 204 guests