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AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:49 am

Summer sked to Europe, Asia and SOuth America.. note this list only features widebody aircraft sked!

*************YYZ:
AMS daily 767-300 SuperComfort
DUB daily 767-200 SuperComfort
CDG daily 767-300 BusinessClass
ZRH daily 767-300 SuperClass
MUC daily 767-300 BusinessClass
TLV daily 767-300 BusinessClass
DEL daily A340-300 BusinessClass
HKG dialy inbound A340-300 BusinessClass
NRT daily A340-300
GRU daily 767-300 BusinessClass
SCL/EZE 3 weekly 767-300

FRA 872 daily 747-400 BusinessClass
FRA 876 daily A330-300 BusinessClass
FRA LH operated daily A340-600
MAN BMI operated daily A330-200
VIE 5 weekly A330/A340 mix

LHR 869 daily 767-300
LHR 867 daily A330-300
LHR 857 daily A330-300
LHR 849 daily 747-400
LHR 863 daily B767-300
LHR 859 daily B767-300

YYZ total: 22 daily international flights including STAR

********YUL:

CDG 870 daily A330-300
CDG 884 daily 767-200 (supercomfort class)
MUC LH daily operated 767-300
VIE OS 4 weekly operated A330/A340 mix
LHR 864 daily B767-300
LHR 838 daily B767-300 (supercomfort class)
FRA 874 daily A330-300
FRA 890 daily B767-300

YUL total: 8 flights

*********YVR:

LHR 831 daily B767-300
LHR 855 daily A330-300
LHR 897 daily B767-300
FRA operated LH daily A340-600
KIX 036 daily B767-300
KIX 40 daily B767-300
NRT 04 daily A340-300
ICN 64 daily A340-300
TPE 18 daily A340-300 ..... they are replacing EVA AIR
NGO 10 5 weekly B767-300
PEK 30 daily B767-300
PVG 38 daily B767-300
SYD 34 daily B767-300 via HNL

13 daily departures for YVR


******YYC:

FRA 845 daily A330-300
LHR 851 daily A330-300
LHR *** daily B767-300

3 daily for YYC

****YOW

daily 767-300 LHR

1 daily for YOW

****YHZ/YYT

1 daily to LHR b767-300 via YYT.


Thats all I could muster for now!

Mark














 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:11 am

Where is the 3rd 747? Is it down for mx all summer?
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:21 am

Yeah its MX.

Man I wish I could see it at YUL for the summer  Sad

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:53 am

Thanks for posting Mark.

I'm also curious about the 3rd 74E. I presume it will either be used on the current YUL-FRA route or double up on the YYZ-FRA.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:59 am

Neil,

ACtually the 3rd 74E is going to go for a heavy check in SIN..

Otherwise it would remain on YULFRA. Its slated to come back in November!

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:01 am

Thanks Mark. So AC will only have 2 operational 74E's until Nov 04.

Given that they are being given new interiors, it sounds like they will remain in the AC fleet though.  Smile

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:02 am

For YVR departures...

HKG should be added I think...at least daily flight with an additional outbound (inbound is direct HKG-YYZ, am I right?). A343-300 for YVR-HKG.

It is good to know AC is going to replace EVA Air on TPE route.

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:06 am

Mark,

If you're gonna post this stuff, at least get it right...

AC018 - daily A340-300
EVA10 - 5x a week B744. No, they are NOT being replaced.

and funny, somehow I guess AC doesn't serve HKG-YVR anymore

AC015 - daily A340-300
AC008 - daily A340-300

but AC changes their stuff all the time... TPE has been on/off, as has NGO, and HKG goes from double to daily, to just daily, back to double daily...

-Rob
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:11 am

Calm down will you, no need for you to be rude... there is room for mistakes here.


 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:27 am

If AC gets the 340-500,s, how would this affect the schedule. This would free up 2 other aircraft. Any ideas?
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:28 am

Mark:

Thanks for the update. Think there remains some fine-tuning for the summer particularly where the 74E's are concerned. I can't fathom that a Combi will be pulled out of service for a heavy check during the busiest season of the year, especially in light of the current aircraft shortage.

I predict that equipment has been swapped between 876 (A330) and 874 (B74E). In additon 848/849 to London is only showing a Combi 4 days per week, which still doesn't account for the remaining 3 days. Figured they routed it between YYZ-YVR on turns, but haven't been able to track it down.
I would wager that the 74E will be shipped off to SIN in September.

Frankly, I'm stunned that AMS has shifted to S/Y (Super Comfort/Hospitality), as the inventory is already adjusted in RESIII. ZRH is still internally showing J/Y, guess it is still under "review". Think "S" class needs to be upgauged in terms of service. Why not sell it as an Economy Plus product, considering the aircraft is configured as such. Throw in complementary spirits (wine and beer is free throughout), a toiletry kit, and a slightly upgraded meal. Just my two cents of course.

Also, unless recently adjusted, consistent with years past, think 884 YULCDG operates as all "Y".

P.S. Hope your interview went well!!
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:40 am

Rod,

Routes still under consideration include (I got this info today):

YUL-FCO (AC doesnt want out of YYZ because AZ is there daily)
YUL-MAD (see note below)
YYZ-SCL/EZE splitting up
YYZ-GIG

Whats interesting to note is that apparently, YYZMAD has been suspended and the project moved over to YUL.

Mark

 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:45 am

Mark:

Heard the same info as you. Definitely see SCL/EZE going there separate ways. Can't see GIG starting in our summer, which is their winter season.

It comes down to the same old thing. AIRCRAFT, AIRCRAFT, AIRCRAFT!! Where the hell are they coming from? But concurrent with cabin crew hiring, somebody must know something that isn't being shared.

MR R

P.S. Also regarding FCO, think we may have previously discussed a contentious labour issue involving the local AC staff who were terminated, which may preclude the airline from returning to Italy for a year.

[Edited 2004-02-18 00:47:50]
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:47 am

You've heard the YUL-FCO/YUL-MAD also?

 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:48 am

Mark:

Indeed, but check my previous post (edited) regarding FCO. Perhaps staff are being recalled there.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:04 am

What is SuperComfort versus Business Class on the B767?
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:08 am

What is SuperComfort versus Business Class on the B767?

It's a "luxury" economy class. Like Economy Plus on United, World Traveler Plus on British Airways, but I think a little better.

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:50 am

AC is selling super comfort.

SuperComfort is a business class seat, without the service. There is on traditional low-yield routes.

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:00 pm

Ok sked is finalized.

All YYZ-FRA flights are 74E.. YUL-FRA 763/333

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:33 pm

Few more fine tuning changes since initial posting:

AC838 YUL-LHR & AC839 LHR-YUL All 'Y' service (SuperComfort dropped)

AC884 YUL-CDG & AC885 CDG-YUL All 'Y' service (SuperComfort never planned)

AC848 YYZ-LHR & AC849 LHR-YYZ Daily 74E changed to 2X74E & 5xA330

AC990 YYZ-GRU Daily except Monday

AC856 YYZ-LHR & AC857 LHR-YYZ Daily A330 changed to B767-300 (This one a shocker..856 has always been the "flagship" YYZ-LHR flight)
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:46 pm

Do AC's East Asian and Delhi services attract a lot of passengers from the US? Ive flown AC to NRT and HKG from the US, primarily because they offered the cheapest fares and the most convenient times.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:27 pm

FLYACYYZ
the CRS shows AC856 (YYZ-LHR) operated by a 763 but AC857 (LHR-YYZ) operated by a 333. Kind of weird but that's in the system.
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:09 am

What about the Toronto-Glasgow route? And, does the DUB flight include SNN?

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:11 am

My bad.

Please include YYZ-GLA .

SNN is the continuation of YYZ-DUB-SNN.

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:14 am

FraT:

Programming does things in strange phases. Last week YYZFRA was changed to 2 X 74E's but the return reflected 1 74E and 1 A330. Similarly..flight 848 YYZLHR. Now operating 74E twice weekly, but 849 the return is showing four times weekly. Strange system!!

The big mystery to us is what is happening to the 3rd 74E regarding routing.

AC872/AC873 daily
AC876/AC877 daily
AC848/AC849 twice weekly (officially)....

So what is happening to third aircraft the other 5 days per week? Nobody seems to know. Rumor is 880/881 YYZCDGYYZ.

Rod
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:29 am

How would AC get a daily 74E YYZ-CDG?

It doesnt make much sense.

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:42 am

Hi everyone; this is my first post. Looking at the schedule makes me wonder what AC is doing about the very in-demand HKG service. Is AC still going with the 2 daily flights from YYZ? (One non-stop and the other via YVR) I'm pretty sure Cathay still has 2 flights daily from YVR and 1 from YYZ.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:49 am

YYZ-HKG is a one-stop westbound, nonstop eastbound.

IF AC gets the A345 (who knows at this point), I guess wellsee it non-stop.

No chance for us YULguys to see this plane  Angry
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:58 am

I hope AC starts YUL-MAD flights and that they decide to offer Super Comfort class. Does anybody know when a decision on such route will be made?
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:41 am

Mark -

The 763 is inadquate based on demand/loads and uncompetitive on the YYZ-CDG route. They 74E has previously been utilized on the route in years past, and the point of my post is that 1 of the 3 74E's is currently "unaccounted" for 5 days of the week, based on the CRS schedule. I would have figured 880/881 was next in line for an equipment upgrade (thought it would have been a 330) but who knows?? Guess it will unfold in the next week or so.

R
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:04 pm

Then in that case,

give YYZ the A333 and YUL the 74E.

If you could believe it, AF is kicking serious AC butt on YULCDG. If this was YYZ, AC would never let AF even have a chance. The only way to differentiate the product in terms of cargo and pax wise, is the 74E, where a large demand for cargo exist between the YUL/CDG city pair.

I am sickened that AC is not giving AF a better run for their money on this highly lucrative route. This wouldnt be the same on YYZLHR, no doubt.

Mark
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:25 pm

More changes by the minute.....

848/849 in the last few hours has been "converted"...now an 333 daily

858/863 Nixed from the summer line up (for now)

So where is the missing 74E?? An alternate thread mentioned that it was being sent to SIN for the summer for heavy maintenance, which I thought was incomprehensible given the need for metal during the summer schedule.

I give up...

Who the hell knows anymore  Smile Smile Smile
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:33 pm

So YYZ-LHR is going down to 5 daily.. interesting.

so there is a 74E unaccounted for, also interesting. Will they send it to Asia?

 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:36 am

The fine tuning continues, and finally something that makes logical and commerical sense.

AC880 YYZ - CDG being upgauged from B767-300 to A330-300 for the period June 23 - October 29th.

Aircraft presumably rerouted from AC864 YUL - LHR, which will be double daily 763's for the summer sked.

Rod
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:00 am

AC870 YUL-CDG is now a B767-300

As for the 74E's they are all in active service this summer, but as per the maintenance schedule, they are due back to lessor between October and November. A340 C-FTNQ 981 is also due to be back to lessor in October. B767-233 C-GAUH 603 is going to be stored beginning of april, and B767-233ER C-GDSP and C-GDSS 613 and 614 are to be returned to lessor by the end of March. As for the A340-500's, we were told to forget them. But 3 A340-600 are still on order for June, July and August. Also, fins 652 and 653 B767-3YOER, are due for a cabin conversion and ETOPS certification in April, they will be back doing Intl flights again. Thats what I know for now. And yes, also for those of you who don't like those horrible seats on A321's 465, 466, and 467, they are due for a seat swap soon. All the remaining Tango A320's are all going to be converted to 20J/120Y or 60J for Jetz, before the summer!

This info might all change!! AC always changes their minds, but for now, that is the picture!

[Edited 2004-02-28 19:21:55]
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:15 am

I see new daily YVR-EWR operating this summer.

Does anybody know if this is a new route, or is it replacing YVR-JFK?

 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:03 am

YVR1968 -

The YVR-EWR service (AC328), is an additional flight serving the NY area, to capitalize on heavy traffic from the US East Coast connecting with cruises ex YVR.

AirbusA340-313X -

The third 74E seems to be missing in action. Two are operating FRA flights AC872/873/876/877, but no sign of # 3. Any idea where it might turn up??

Surprised to hear you comment on the A321's fins 465/466/467 (ex AF aircraft). The J/C seats are acutally quite comfortable, and the Y/C seats are AF's convertible telescopic seats which "convert" Y/C seats to C/C seats. By depressing buttons under the armrests, you can actually increase the width by 2 - 3 ", if the middle seat is unoccupied. AF uses these seats on intra-Europe routes. Upon delivery of these aircraft, nobody had briefed the crew, and initially customers couldn't fit into these middle seats which had been adjusted to a 13" width!!

AC870 operating with a 763 for the summer?? Now that's a shocker considering AC880/YYZ has been upgauged to an A330. FLYYUL/Mark is not going to be happy!!

I'm acutually working on fin 613 this weekend. Had no idea it and 614 were being returned to lessor. If that's the case, probably my last time on this aircraft.

Regarding YVR-HNL. AC033 YVR-HNL-SYD only tech stopping at HNL with no local traffic on the segments. Should cut down the transit time by almost an hour. Looked like AC might bail from this route for the summer, but at the moment it appears that there will be 3 weekly flights AC041 with B762's.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:59 am

Darn!

So we essentially go from a 1 767 op in summer to a 5 767/763 op next summer  Big thumbs up

We'll know in a weekwhats going on with the summer sked.

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:26 am

Does YVR-HNL-SYD include SuperComfort, or is it too high-yield a route for this? It's because I think that route's more of a leisure than a business one.
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:38 am

Hi FLYACYYZ! Are you a CAT 01 also? We just saw in RESIII today that 870 would be a 763, I find it weird also, it would be the first summer they would be doing that. Maybe will it be replaced by the missing 74E, we never know, they always change their minds. About 603, 613, 614, 341, 342, 343 and 981 go see in the Aeronet in the maintenance schedule, you will see the are returned to lessor. But as always, it might change! Sorry, but I traveled a few time on the A321 465,466 and 467 in Y, and I really don't like the seats! I like ours better!!
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:43 am

The 767-300 on the Vancouver-Heathrow route?
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:42 am

For the life of me, how can Air Canada not fly YVR-HNL-YVR w/ paying passengers. Everyone knows HNL is a gold-mine to any airline flying the route. As of right now, the only airlines doing YVR-HNL-YVR are AQ daily with B737-700s, and FQ 2x a week with B737-800s (of which most are originating in Nadi). So - that's about 1,000 seats a week on a route that at one point was probably doing over 3,500. And if going direct is the best way (regarding YVR-SYD), you'd think they'd take delivery of the A345 to do just that. But, no...

Should have a new slogan for Air Canada... "Air Canada : The nations' stupid airline"

And now I read that 3 more 762s are going back, as is an A343 (their oldest?), and the 3 B747E's. Now, how exactly does Air Canada plan on making money, when you have NO planes? I shake my head with disgust... the potential the airline has, and will never see. Sad.

-Rob





>>Regarding YVR-HNL. AC033 YVR-HNL-SYD only tech stopping at HNL with no >>local traffic on the segments. Should cut down the transit time by almost an >>hour. Looked like AC might bail from this route for the summer, but at the >>moment it appears that there will be 3 weekly flights AC041 with B762's.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:44 am

AirbusA340313x :

I think scheduling is tinkering around with aircraft in RESIII. 870 with a 767? That would be the smallest widebodied aircraft on that route since 1971 -- and for summer to boot!! I suspect the 74E will somehow make it back onto YUL-CDG.

Seems like alot of "shrinkage" happening lately. CPH, MAD, FCO, MAN, TPE all gone. Aircraft being returned to lessors in droves -- really surprised by your list. Yet they're hiring a s-load of flight attendants?!?!?

Go figure.....
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:56 am

RINDT -

I'm shaking my head right along with you, but need to correct one of your points. YVR-HNL has huge customer loads, but is one of the lowest yielding routes in the system. HNL is one of the biggest "dumping ground routes" for Aeroplan points in the system, and not a large revenue generator. That might explain why YYZ-HNL was ditched last year, but know that our YVR customer base would hit the roof if we ever abandonned the route.

Even AQ has been all over the map between YVR & Hawaii. Daily to HNL, then sharing/splitting frequency with OGG, then dumping OGG, and back to HNL.

Think the 74E's will be around for a while. they've been on the auction block since 1992, and still flying around. The A345's?? There is a whole thread on that topic.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:56 am

Everyone knows HNL is a gold-mine to any airline flying the route.

Actually Rob HNL is a low yield albatross for most sked carriers. Very few make money at HNL. That's why AA/UA flew their last D10 services into HNL....to delay the need for high capital 763/772 aircraft to be deployed.

I say leave HNL to the charters w their lower costs.
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:51 pm

I guess my point more-over is that AC can't seem to make a final decision, and live with it. I don't know, maybe I still yearn for the days of CP's 3x DC-10 per day service to Hawaii with Canada 3000s A330 not far behind  Smile/happy/getting dizzy So, from my standpoint, 4 widebodies to 1 737 seems like a mighty weak transition Big grin

Now it's time for Australian Airlines to step up to the plate with YVR service. N'est-ce pas?

-Rob
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:56 pm

HNL is a profitable cargo market. Airlines carry a lot of cargo in the belly of their planes as they are transporting low-yielding tourists.

There is lots of demand for goods to be transported to Hawaii because they are isolated. Trucking goods isn't an option and shipping goods by sea takes a while.

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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:42 pm

One reason traffic to Hawaii has decreased over the years is the emergence of the cheap Mexican and Carribean resorts, especially the all-inclusives. The cost to vacation there is simply way cheaper than getting a hotel/condo, car rental, and buying groceries in Maui or Honolulu.....and in American $$ to boot. Think of how few flights there were down to Mexico even five years ago compared to today.
 
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RE: AC International Summer Sked

Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:02 pm

Ah boring.

YULFRA is going 2 763's instead of A333/B763.

874 is now 763.

Mark

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