rjpieces
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El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:43 am

I was reading some older threads on El Al security.....

And I also had a question about check-in. I vaguely remember my neighbors going to JFK in the morning to checkin and go through their first security check. They would come home and then leave for the airport later in the day before their flight left. Do they still do this? Is it mandatory that you check-in hours in advance?

Also, El Al's main focus is on finding the terrorist before they could board the plane, while most other aviation security focuses on not allowing terrorist to bring weapons on board (thus preventing any hijacking)
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scottysair
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RE: El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:53 pm

First thing for you about with El Al and make sure that security is clear for your flight and after make sure they asked you with question about of those trip. After finished with the question and then you will have screening with their checked bags before go through to Israel. It would not make anything with explosives.
 
Azmi
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RE: El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:54 pm

ScottysAir
Can you repeat that in English please?
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Sonic
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RE: El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:12 pm

Azmi, here are what I believe ScottysAir meant, although I am not sure (he speaks using grammar of ASL - American Sign Language):

INTERPRETATION 1:
First thing I have to tell you about El Al is that they makes sure that you are not in register of some security organisation. And they also asks you questions about upcoming trip. When the questioning ends, they will screen you and your bags (which you would later check in) before flying to Israel. Explosives couldn't make it to El Al planes.

INTERPRETATION 2:
First thing you need to know if flying El Al is that you have to make sure that security is clear for your flight. Also, that you will be questioned about your trip. After the questioning finishes, you will have to screen the bags you will give to check-in. This must be done before flying to Israel. It would be hard to go through with explosives.

INTERPRETATION 3:
First thing El Al does when you book tickets is making sure that your flying history is clear of flights to "enemy" states. If it is not, than they will question you about trips to these countries. After finishing questions they will screen you with your bags and only then let to go to Israel. You wouldn't make it with explosives.
 
willo
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RE: El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:20 pm

In my experience it's not just El Al flights that go through this but all flights in to and out of Israel. I can't remember if the more rigorous checks apply to Israeli passport holders though.
 
windshear
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RE: El Al Security

Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:42 pm

I went to TLV with Lufthansa this winter, and there were NO further checks!

But all passengers leaving the country WILL have a serious check.

I have flown with El Al on several occasions, and they always ask you where you are going, who bought the tickets, where we're going in Israel, why we are going and so on...Pretty normal questions, but it is to test how you react and if there are any one of the questions that makes the entire line of questions seem incoherant...

Also passengers baggage and carry ons are screened by El Al staff...They are trained to read body language and profiling...

For example they have a rule of three details about a passenger's looks...

If there are one out of three things that stand out, it could be a nice suite but old shoes or old clothes and a shiny new briefcase, they would take you in for further quetioning...

This might future El Al passengers seem paranoid to fly with El Al, but again they are highly trained, and will not suspect you for nothing, so relax and enjoy the flight...

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johnboy
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RE: El Al Security

Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:01 am

O/T a bit, but El Al has a really unique website, especially the FAQ section with Mitzi the El Al skychick.
 
Cory6188
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RE: El Al Security

Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:04 am

How does CO handle their flights to TLV from EWR? Do they have the same level of security screening at EWR that El Al does?

I know that LY would be a terrorist's dream target, although a US airline flying to Israel probably wouldn't be a bad choice either.
 
scottysair
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RE: El Al Security

Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:10 am

It wouldn't not bad at all with El Al. It would be all right for the security and this is due of the security reason on LY flights and no camera is allowed into their planes.
 
4xRuv
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:35 am

I don't know where you've heard it, but I have loads of photos I've taken legally! onboard Elal flights.....
 
amirs
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:42 am

WHAT? ITS NOT ILLEGAL TO TAKE PHOTOS ON EL AL FLIGHTS!
ITS FUNNY HOW THERE IS SOM MUCH MISINFORMATION SURROUNDING EL AL ALWAYS.
i GUESS IT IS PART OF THE SECURITY TACTICS.
 
manni
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:56 am

I have flown several times in and out of TLV on ELAL aswell as on other airlines. Security interviews are standard on all departures and on all airlines out of TLV. Security interviews are only conducted, as far as I've experienced it, on flights into TLV with ELAL.

'...they are highly trained, and will not suspect you for nothing...'

For highly trained staff they leave in general a very lame a high shoolish impression to me, just like they are serving a part of their military service as a security guard instead. Elal suspects probaply about 10% or more of their passengers on each flight, ALL of them have been suspected for nothing, with a few exceptions... Nevertheless better safe than sorry.

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planenutz
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:48 am

Rjpieces:


I could be totally wrong, but I beleive the advance check-in provided by EL AL was primarily for flights leaving on or close to Shabbat. You could check-in early before a Saturday flight.

This service is now only offered at Johanessburg. For passengers booked on the Saturday flight the advance check-in is available from 10:30am to 12:30pm on Friday at JNB International Airport (Counter 99 I beleive).

Advance check-in is available for all flights departing Ben Gurion at the Arlozorov Terminal in Tel Aviv City.

In order to remain competitive EL AL has slowly been altering its scheduled to include Saturday flights. Awhile ago there were absolutely no flights in Saturdays, now there are departures on Saturday nights after sundown (post-Shabbat).




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haveric
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:42 am

El Al Flight 1 has always left JFK around 11PM on Saturday night. This is not new. Check-in was also open during Shabbat.
 
4xRuv
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:58 am

ly001 is on TLV-JFK route, and not vice versa
 
jeffrey1970
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:41 am

This is a bit off the topic but I saw an interview once with the person who is in charge of security for EL AL, and he said they learned there security measures from the U.S. Secret Service.

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haveric
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:59 am

oops, meant 002.

unforunately it has been awhile since i've been on that flight.
 
planenutz
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:20 am

Haveric:

Flt. 2, which leaves at 1100pm is after Shabbat (even with check in open 3 hours before hand at 800pm). Shannat ends at sundown Sat.
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BD1959
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:25 pm

Johnboy: O/T a bit, but El Al has a really unique website, especially the FAQ section with Mitzi the El Al skychick.

Certainly is unique Johnboy. Has a survey box which doesn't recognize 75% of countries - so can't survey; has little "stars and stripes" to flag the "English" option. Strewth, everyone knows Yanks can't speak English. Crikey.

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amirs
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RE: El Al Security

Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:57 pm

YOU ARE MISTKEN AGAIN, FLIGHT LY002 LEAVES JFK AT AROUND 19:30, THE 23:50 DEPARTURE IS LY008. LY008 IS THE FLAGSHIP FLIGHT OUT OF NEW YORK, JUST LIKE LY001 IS THE FLAGSHIP OUT OF TLV. THEY ARE BOTH FLOWN EXCLUSIVELY ON 744 AND 777 WITH 3 CLASS CONFIGURATION.

ON SATURDAY NIGHT YOU CAN ALSO GET A 23:50 FLIGHT OUT OF EWR ON LY026.