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767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 5:42 am

There is movie where a 767 of a candian airline lands at gimli?. The airlines in the movie is called ''canadian world airways''. What was the real name of the airline? This accident really happened.

thanks

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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 5:47 am

The actual event occured on an Air Canada 767. The Captain, Robert Pearson, still flies for ACA.

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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 5:55 am

I'm pretty sure it was an Air Canada 727. Forget when, but quite a few years ago. The pilots got mixed up with gallons and litres, and signed for litres when they were thinking they were signing for gallons. They ran out of fuel in mid air and it was only that the pilot remembered a disused airfield at Gimli where he did his Air Force pilot training that saved everybody's lives. That is how i seem to remember the incident, but I do stand to be corrected.
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:00 am

There is also a book about the event. It is entitled Freefall - From 41,000 feet to zero: a true story of survival by William & Marylyn Hoffer, authors of the international best seller, Midnight Express.

What was the title of the movie?
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:01 am

If that's the case I have got the wrong incident, because the event I am thinking of was years before the intro. of 767s. Sorry to mislead. I knew I should have gone to the books before posting.
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:10 am

iam going nuts! this movie is running at this very moment!!!!! on a german station!!!!!! it is a bit silly though. showing a 767 where the ground staff made wrong fuel quantity calculations because of mixing up measurement units!

brgds
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:21 am

I'm also watching right now on RTL2. Have you also seen ''die schlimmsten flugzeugungluecke der welt "?
What did you think about it?

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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:29 am

Ever remarked that the take-off jet is a 737-200, the plane in flight a A320-200 and the plane which makes the emergency landing a B767-200?? Fire the production manager of the movie!!

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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 6:49 am

Is the aircraft still in service? Does anyone know the registration?

thanks

reno_air
 
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:07 am

Are there any pics of the airccraft at gimli on the net?

reno_air
 
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:13 am

The title was ''falling from the sky''.
 
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RE: Reno_air

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:13 am

The book refers to the 767 as Aircraft Number 604, one of four such aircraft delivered to Air Canada, with another seven on order at that time.

Maybe someone with a knowledge of 767's can put a registration to the 'Gimli Glider'.

It was three months old as of July 1983.

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Crisis In The Cockpit

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:15 am

the event is featured in a book called crisis in the cockpit by Satanley Shaw
 
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RE: Registration

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:32 am

We have a fellow forum member 'MEA-707' who has a useful web-site http://people.a2000.nl/sverb which I refer to fairly often.

I have just looked up some info under Boeing 767 and by logical deduction the aircraft was probably B767 serial # 22520, line # 47 First flight 10.03.83 and Air Canada registration C-GAUN.

What aircraft number 604 refers to is anybody's guess.

Can anyone confirm if the above info is correct?

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RE: Two Pictures

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:49 am

Yep, the registration is C-GAUN. There are two pictures on airliners.net.
You cansee them here http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=23100
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=24788
 
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Aircraft 604

Sun Jan 23, 2000 7:49 am

The aircraft in question was an Air Canada 767-200 aircraft 604 registration C-GAUN. 604 is the fin number (AC fleet number). The aircraft is still in service with AC, and is known as the Gimli Glider. I believe I've even flown on the aircraft in question at one time about 2 years ago. The original incident was indeed due to an incorrect conversion of litres into kilograms, as the conversion factor was for pounds. The aircraft made the emergency landing in Gimli, and had to be flown to Winnipeg for some fairly extensive repairs before being put back into service.
 
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:00 am

Doesn`t an airplane have a clock in the instrument`s paneel which shows how much fuel is left in the tanks? One look before takeoff should tell enough , I can not believe the pilots do have to count it in their heads.
 
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RE: Real Video

Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:01 am

Here's a link to a real video newscast about the gimli glider, from 1983! Its in the 'video vault' at a local tv station's site here in Winnipeg. Its cool, and you can see the aircraft, and the dammage that occured.

http://winnipeg.cbc.ca/videovault/gimglider.html

Have fun  
 
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Fuel Gauge

Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:29 am

There is a question as to why the aircraft ran out of fuel despite there being a fuel guage. The answer is that the fuel gauge was malfunctioning. The computer was defective and it shorted out the duplicat system, so the aircraft was fuelled up using the litre measurements from the fuel truck, and the dripstick (works like a dipstick for car oil) in the fuel tank to take a "drip" of the fuel that was already in the tanks. An error was made in fuelling, and in flight no fuel quantity reading was availiable. The reason the computer wasn't simply replaced was that there wasn't a spare availiable.
 
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Mon Jan 24, 2000 10:51 pm

The movie was called Freefall.
 
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Click On Search For Answers

Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:52 pm

Click on Search in the top right-hand corner of your screen and type in RAT AT WORK. This topic was discussed in detail in a thread about RATs.

Answers to your many questions about the incident can be found here in this thread.

Hmmmm...
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:11 am

the captain bob pearson was at montreal 6 months later on his way to edmonton, he had 16 passengers and a pallet or two of cargo, he went to his co pilot, "hey were going get f&*&ing up there right away" pertaining to the crusing altitude. Contrary to the fact they were light, so he gets to the runway and gives it, he pulls back a quarter into the roll and it just sharply climbs, then the cockpit turns yellow, then red with sirens, his eicas reads ZERO FUEL, so he makes the landing, upon futher investigation it shoews capt pearson pulled back too much all the fuel he had pooled at the back of the tanks not allowing the sensors to read the amount of fuel onboard.

this is a true story.

another involved my teacher, it was a london to canada flight, and there had been a dealy on the runway after the runway cleared up the plane went back to the gate, finally the captain gave his excuse "sorry for the delay but we have to top up the amount of fuel we have"
It just shows the 767 gets strecthed with its fuel capabilities alot!!

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Virgin747

Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:48 am

Can you please re-type your post. I'm having difficulty reading it. Thank You.
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This Is The Real Story Behind Gimli!

Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:36 am

At approx. 20:50 C.D.S.T on Saturday 23rd July 1984, a B767-233 aircraft C-GAAN, Fleet no 604 on Air canada flight 143 from Montreal to Edmonton via Ottawa and piloted by Captain Robert Pearson and with 61 pax. aboard ran out of fuel 1,000 miles short of it's destination.

The Emergency occured as Capt. Pearson reached Red lake, Ontario before crossing into Manitoba, at an altitude of 36000ft.

As an experienced glider pilot, Capt. Pearson found himsel in charge of the World larges Glider, and prepared to line up with the runway at gimli (abandoned airport near Winnipeg) while the copilot had to lower the landing gear manually.

Pearson made the emergency landing at Gimli, manitoba with a 7200ft runway. the 150 ton 767-233 was brought down powerless as teh graund crew had miscalculated the weight of fuel measurement, when they converted the volume of fuel into pounds.

The aircraft suffered damage to the nose gear tyres, and outer skin and front end.

The aircraft and captain are still flying with Air Canada. To land the plane the captain had to use a side slip methond (Full left rudder, and full right Aileron) from his gliding experience to land the Aircraft, to this day Boeing denies that the 767 is capable of doing this, and it has never happend since.

Thsi all came right out of the Air Canada pocketbook, printed by Air Canada
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RE: This Is The Real Story Behind Gimli!

Tue Jan 25, 2000 9:09 am

This is kind of ironic, but the Gimli airport is now the site of a Royal Canadian Air Cadet Gliding center! In fact, most of my glider experiance is at YGM. We use the grass strip directly paralell to the "runway" used by the Air Canada 767. We fly SZ23 Gliders.

I don't know if this was mentioned, but the westerly 14/32 runway at YGM has been decomisioned for 20 years and is now a drag strip. Oddly, Capt. Pearson decided to use the drag strip to land on instead of the active runway, but no harm came from it.
 
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C-GAGN

Tue Jan 25, 2000 9:17 pm

Actually it is not ironic. The reason why Capt. Pearson knew of the airfield was that he was, himself, a glider pilot and had used the field in the past. His ability to glide that 767 unpowered, and his choice of a landing spot at Gimli, were both directly related to his being a soar plane enthusiast from the area.

Hmmmm...
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RE: Hummm...

Wed Jan 26, 2000 8:54 am

It has been my usderstanding that Pearson knew of Gimli from his airforce flying, but not that he undertook Gliding ops. in the area. The only Gliding operation in Gimli is run by the Air Cadets and that's only been there since I believe the early 80's. Also, if he were directly familiar with Gimli from a Gliding point of view, he wouldn't have landed on the "Interlake International speedway" instead of the runway.
 
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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Wed Jan 26, 2000 11:41 am

They were trying to make Winnipeg. From my recollection of the book, it was the F/O that remembered Gimli when they realized they weren't going to make CYWG.

Nevertheless, the guys were heroes dealing with a huge systemic problem at Air Canada. The fuel gauge malfunction coupled with cb's that were or were not pulled plus the misunderstanding of the engineer who supervised the refuelling all compounded on each other - then they gave the airplane to the Capt.! After the incident, AC tried to fire Capt. Pearson.

Best Regards,

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RE: 767 Emergency Landing At Gimli

Thu Jan 27, 2000 3:01 am

I recall hearing a radio interview with Capt. Pearson years ago. He commented that the book Freefall by W&M Hoffer was quite accurate exept for a few minor details. I have a special interest in this story because my very first commercial airline flight was the same flight (Ottawa to Edmonton leg) one week earlier! I was in Edmonton when this happened, due to return a week later. The book is a good read.
 
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RE:Virgin 747

Thu Jan 27, 2000 6:50 am

Most of your story about the 2nd low fuel incident is true except he didn't land. He describes it in the book. Think about it, if he landed, that mean the fuel returned to it's normal spot in the tanks as a landing would take quite a few minutes. Also, when fuel "sloshes" in the tanks, it doesn't take but a few seconds for it to "re-port" over the fuel line intakes generally. It was just an unusual sort of "freak" occurrence. A lightly loaded 767 with both engines burning is a real rocket. It is easy to get over 6,000 feet per minute climb (if not more).