tokolosh
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KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:21 pm

This was posted on the site of Amsterdam's local TV station (rough translation by me. I did a search and didn't see any other posts on this):

KLM and Swiss airliners in near miss

Planes belonging to KLM and Swiss were involved in a near miss on Wednesday morning over France. The two aircraft were separated by only 300 metres. A KLM spokesman confirmed the incident but said there had been no danger. "Both aircraft were continuously aware of each others' presence", he said.
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IslandHopperCO
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:50 pm

Would that make this a "Swiss Miss"? Har Har.
 
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:16 pm

The KLM pilots made an escape curve at the last moment. KLM says that it was an error of French ATC. KLM starts an investigation.

KLM: 45 people on board
Swiss: 175 people on board
 
eham
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:18 pm

sources say the Swiss flight was from New York JFK to Zurich ---> MD-11 or A330 I guess
 
Boeing777/747
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:30 pm

Low PAX-loads... what a/c type was the KLM? What route?
 
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:31 pm

Swiss flight was the LX 017 JFK-ZRH on a A340
 
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:44 pm

Separated by 300m?

So...normal RVSM separation, then?

Or are we talking horizontally?
 
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:51 pm

According to news reports here in Switzerland, "both pilots followed their automatic instructions", or in other words the TCAS instructions.

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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:58 pm

 
Dakota
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:13 pm

It was KLM flight 1924 from Amsterdam to Geneva

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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:23 pm

Wouldn't that be a near hit, rather than a near miss? A near miss would imply that there was a collision that was almost averted. At any rate, good thing that it was averted.
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:19 am

I agree with DeltaMD11 this was more a near hit, 300m is very close. Here is an article about this near hit. It states that the KLM pilot saw the Swiss plane coming his way.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3503907.stm
 
EZYcrew
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RE: KLM And Swiss In Near Miss

Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:24 am

Here's what's on our employee website :

"Incident in French airspace

A KLM aircraft and a SWISS aircraft came close together early this morning in French airspace near Reims. Thanks to the swift response of both crews and the onboard warning systems, the incident passed without consequence. SWISS has reported the incident to the relevant authorities.

At approximately 07.45 this morning, as SWISS flight LX 17 en route from New York JFK to Zurich was flying over the city of Reims, the onboard warning system (TCAS, traffic alert and collision avoidance system) indicated the proximity of another aircraft. The SWISS crew followed the system’s instructions and put distance between the two aircraft.

The French authorities are investigating how it was possible for the two aircraft to come close to one another. As required by regulations, SWISS has reported the incident to the relevant authorities in Switzerland.

The flight landed on schedule in Zurich.

SWISS Internal Communications"

And the Paris ATC controllers were on strike yesterday too.... I wonder if this has anything to do with the incident.

I remember in the 70's, during a French ATC strike when a Iberia DC9 collided with another Spanish passenger jet over Brittany. French ATC was blamed over this.

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