zona8
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Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:55 am

I have looking to join a airline club (ie Crown Room, Red Carpet) and all of them have age restrictions of 18-21. I am only 16, but do a ton of travel so I would really like to buy a membership. I'm elite on several airlines (UA, US, DL, F9 and FL) and when I am travelling internationally I can use them for free and rarely have a problem with getting in (except delta, which is very strict). The KL BlueBiz could work, but you can not get it from America. Does anyone know of another airline with a lower age, or perhaps one that would make an exception. Thank you sincerely for your help.
 
ssides
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:04 pm

Just curious -- at age 16, how do you manage to fly enough to get (and maintain) elite status? Don't you have school? Plus, two of the airlines you mentioned (US, FL) don't even serve AUS, which you've listed as your hometown. I understand that you might be able to be elite on one or two, but all of these airlines makes me question how you've done it as a 16-year-old.

Secondly, I think most clubs will keep their age restrictions. No matter how mature you are, most business clubs like this would rather avoid the hassle of kids altogether. The age restriction may seem unfair to people like you, but it does keep the "riff-raff" out, if you'll forgive the stereotypical description.
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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:17 pm

"at age 16, how do you manage to fly enough to get"

- I love to travel and see new places and people, I am lucky enough to have a dad (I don't know really how to say this, but) who makes "a good living" and is willing to support my travel habits, both financially and literally.

"Don't you have school"
-again, I am very lucky in this area. First, school comes very easily to me (except I am very dislexic, which I am sure shows in my posts) and my school is not a typical school, they are very flexible and see travel as an educational experience.

"Plus, two of the airlines you mentioned (US, FL) don't even serve AUS"
- DC, and to a lesser extent, NY are like second homes to me and I find US and FL most convenient to get around the North East.

Also, I am more than willing to go along with your "riff-raff" statement, I feel the same way, it just makes me angry when I am the "riff-raff" strictly based on a number (my age) and nothing else.

Thanks for your help.

 
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:26 pm

zona,
sorry on the ua side.....booze is served in the r.c.c. good luck
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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:27 pm

"booze is served in the r.c.c"

-Same reason given at Delta  Sad
 
myk
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:28 pm

At your age, why would you join such a club ????
 
zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:30 pm

"At your age, why would you join such a club ???? "

-I spend a lot of time in airports, I do not like cutting it close, and I always find my self at the gate 2 hrs. before take off.
 
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:40 pm

Eh. Aattso. Whatever.
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jhooper
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:29 pm

I'm sure you fly First Class enough that they pour you as much booze as you want and don't ask any questions. At least that's the way it was when I was 16  Big grin
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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:31 pm

"I'm sure you fly First Class enough that they pour you as much booze as you want and don't ask any questions. At least that's the way it was when I was 16"

-and still true Smile
 
ssides
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:34 pm

ZONA8 --

So, do you fly just about every weekend? Give us an example of your typical travel year, because I'm still having a hard time believing you can maintain your elite status at so many airlines at your age. Don't get me wrong -- I am very impressed with your knowledge and desire to travel. I'd just like to see where you've been, how often, etc.
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David T
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:42 pm

You will typically find that the age restriction is largely due to the presence of alcohol and how lounges are defined by state, and in the case of Canada, provincial liquor authorities and jurisdictions.

If you do want to fight for an exemption of some sort and an airline which you fly is willing to find away around government rules which fit conveniently with their own rules and "lounge image", you may want to consider becoming loyal with only one carrier and not spreading the wealth. You will have a bigger bark that way and presumably, the airline will see a loyal customer for the next XX years.

Just hang tough, you'll get there. (I did!)
 
zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:47 pm

I do travel most weekends, DL is my main airline and my first choice. I go to PDX for family reasons about 10-15 times a year, about same amount to DCA/IAD, JFK/LGA, and ALB. I also go to ATL and SAN a lot, also do a good number of inta-Texas flights as well as up and down the east coast. As far as international goes, I fly in J class to Asia (mainly HKG, ICN, NRT, SIN) and Europe (LON, CDG, AMS (by far the most, family/biz) ZRH, GVA, FRA). All this travel is split pretty evenly between three things; pure fun/pleasure, travelling with my dad for his work, and third for my school and business. Their are also a small number of "mile runs" in their if it is getting to the end of the year and I am just short of the next level. As far as F9 goes, I got an email offering me (and I don't mean me, it was a mass mailing) a status comp, which I took and I have only flown once so that really does not count. UA was also a comp, however I have earned the right to keep it. All the others were earned.
 
zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:49 pm

"becoming loyal with only one carrier and not spreading the wealth"

-I've been thinking about that a lot, and that is the plan for this year, I want to not put it all in one, but I am going to go down to 2 or maybe 3.
 
zrs70
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:49 pm

I would join the AC Maple Leaf Lounge. It grants you access to the RCC when traveling UA, and it costs less than a RCC membership.
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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:55 pm

Zrs70, thanks for the idea, but same old trouble.

From AC website:
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Age of Majority:

Please note that legal drinking age requirements are strictly enforced. Visitors under the age of majority will be granted access to the lounge only when accompanied by an adult with his/her own access. Adults who bring children into the lounge are kindly asked to supervise them.

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Most of the time I am by myself, so I can not be with an adult.

[Edited 2004-02-21 06:00:36]
 
crjdispatchkid
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:02 pm

ZONA-

Tell your dad to get you a 1/2 share in a Gulfstream V or something. It makes sense, you can travel at your convience and to whatever airport you want. Then pick me up and I'll babysit you or something.

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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:08 pm

"Tell your dad to get you a 1/2 share in a Gulfstream V or something. It makes sense, you can travel at your convience and to whatever airport you want. Then pick me up and I'll babysit you or something."


Trust me I've tried, his company pays for all his travel (including on biz jets) and he would not buy me my own half a plane. Besides, I like flying commercially, clubs, or nor clubs, it's just fun. I know this sounds funny, having to deal with delays, overbookings, lack of UGs, rude staff (I'm NOT making a blanket statement) but I enjoy the whole experience. Hence my membership here Smile
 
StarGold4ever
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:14 pm

You remind me of myself; young, traveles too much, disabilities gallor, .... Anyway, let me advise you on what to do! I have encountered the same problem myself, many times. This is simple to remedy. First, a UA RCC membership gives you access to all Star, US, and UA lounges. Secondly, when you go to UA, or AA, or anyother website, nobody is actually there to verify that you entered an "accurate and precise" age. Finally match your membership to a international star carrier--or just start earning on that other carrier--and it is valid for domestic hops in RCC lounges. Hope this helps. And, for the record, I hold AA Plat, LH Senator, UA Pr. Ex., US Gold Pre., and DL Gold Med.--guess what the LH Senator is for.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-02-21 06:15:21]
 
David T
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:19 pm

From the fine print in the AC Maple Leaf Club application:


"For the safety of our younger guests, each lounge strictly adheres to local laws and regulations regarding the serving of alcoholic beverages. Anyone accessing the lounge must be accompanied by an adult who is a member."


The language allows younger guests, BUT all younger guests (including age 16) must be accompanied by an adult who is a member. I have to assume that even if you had Elite status with Air Canada, which means you would "earn" your way into the lounge without paying , you would be very very very politely turned away at the entrance by the lounge attendants due to your age and the provincial liquor laws.

I will check to see what liquor class license the Air Canada clubs in Alberta (YYC & YEG) have and report back on Monday if the string is still active. The liquor license is granted under the authority of the Alberta Gaming & Liquor Commission (Gaming & Liquor Act, Alberta Statutes.)

Presence of alcohol is the biggest problem I am afraid.
 
zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:20 pm

"is actually there to verify that you entered an "accurate and precise" age"

First, congrats on your first post.

I have thought about this, but I think they would figure it out. I often travel in a suit/nice clothes for various reasons, but you can tell I'm not 21, perhaps could pass as 18. I would hate to pay a few hundred and be told, sorry, can't come in.
 
zrs70
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:20 pm

StarGold:

I don't believe that RCC membership gets you access to all * lounges. Only Air Canada.

If you are Gold Elite, you have access regardless when travelling same-day international.
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StarGold4ever
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:21 pm

LOL, since I was 14!!!!
 
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:25 pm

Well StarGold, your plan could work, but they still can deny you entry. When travelling alone on United with a J class ticket I was denied entry to the RCC a few years ago at LAX because I was 16. Even though I was told that it was fine at check in, the person at RCC actually checked my ID, and then showed me a manual saying that you have to be 18 to enter the premises (or under supervision of adult) because it had an open bar that was not divided off. I found that very interesting because the drinking age is 21, but the minimum club age is 18. There is an overall rule that says 18 because it is a government policy. But I do believe that my case was rare and that most agents would not spend the extra effort and would just let you in.
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zona8
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:28 pm

Not to get of topic to much, but when is US going to become part of *A, I am only premier on UA, but am Gold on US which, I think, will get me star gold.
 
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:29 pm

Zrs70
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I DID NOT POST UNTILL TODAY! I am going to cancel
my membership tommroow. Listen, please, please, please do not speak out of your a*s.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,3113,00.html

RCC membership is valid in ALL Star business or higher lounges, with the exception of SIN--they use the SATS Preimer Lounge there. Once again. Either chech all of your information, or don't waste my and other people's time.
 
David T
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:30 pm

The Air Canada "Paid" Maple Leaf membership allows for full access of all Maple Leaf Clubs, Maple Leaf Arrivals lounges, Red Carpet Clubs WHEN flying internationally and Lufthansa Business Class lounges in Frankfort and Munich.
Therefore, United domestic won't work for you with the Maple Leaf card.

As you see, quite a departure than what you would get if you had AC Elite or Super Elite with full access to Star Alliance lounges globally.
 
zrs70
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RE: Airline Clubs

Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:19 pm

Stargold:

Thanks for the clarification. Either the rules have changed, or I was plain ol' wrong! Hah! Most likely I was wrong. Appreciate your diplomacy.

Zach
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