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US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:11 pm

As we chat about US Airways demise constantly on, it seems like they are continuing on their merry ol' way, business as usual. In fact I have been seeing posts saying that though, it is small steps, things are seeming a little better.

Last weekend, US has A320's throughout the southern caribbean instead of the usually A320/A319 mix. Nassau saw 7 flights on Sunday, 2 PHL, 2 CLT, 1 DCA, 1 LGA, 1 BOS.

What is life actually like for them in the continental US and Canada? What about Europe?

I know for a fact the caribbean flights are doing better this season than they did last. Good Signs?

Lets hope they continue.. It would be a terribly long journey back to life if they are to make it.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:29 pm


I'm not at all surprised that they are doing well in the Caribbean. I think any airline would do well when running flights there. Where US Airways is becoming weak is mainly its short hop flights. These are terribly expensive to operate and sometimes there isn't enough demand to fly these routes.

Frankly, I think the talk of US's demise is pretty much overdone. Some people will pay to fly $230 one-way from PHL-PIT or $360 one-way from PHL-CLT, and that's where US Airways will get quite some loot. But what makes US look so bad is the competition ahead with WN as it will serve PHL-MDW, MCO, TPA, PVD, LAS and PHX. They also have to compete with FL on some routes from PHL and soon F9.

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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:58 pm

Actually US is slightly ahead of schedule, they have more cash on hand then most thought and their costs are shrinking. It will take some time but US will survive. I know that this will upset some of the people on here, but look at the situation seriously, CO was in the same situation twice and they came through it, HP was close also and they turned it around. What is going to happen is US is going to see what CO/HP/WN did and or doing and blend in some of their (US) ideas and keep going. Basically US has to get to the unions and get the hourly rate of pay down to a WN/HP level and everything will be alright. I am part of the US family (Express side/Mesa) and we are not nearly paid what we should be, but I'm living good, 2 cars, nice house, ect. Some of the senior union boys (Ramp, Ticket Counter, F/A's) at mainline have to see the big picture.Do you want a job earning $18 an hour instead of $25 (example) or no job at all. Think about it. I'd take the $18 and the job, and god knows i'm not earning $18 now and i've been there 8+ years.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:19 pm

"CO was in the same situation twice and they came through it"

You can't compare CO's situation 12 years ago to US Airways currently situation.

CO had a much more diverse route structure, better leadership and better economy.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:21 pm

Also 12 Years ago CO didn't have JetBlue and SouthWest to compete against, now throw in Song and TED and it's hard for USAir to compete, especially with fares that are more expensive. WN and B6 have been dominating the short hop flights and much of everything else. USAirways still has an uphill climb, with Jetblue and WN just continuing to lead the way and expand (WN in Philly) We will see if USAirways can survive.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:33 pm

WN was certainly around 12 years ago, and B6 dosen't really affect US in any way considering B6 flys mostly to JFK which US does not serve. Ted can only help US considering UA and US codeshare, so that dosen't hurt. WN can only expand so much before the $$ starts shrinking, just ask B6 who is feeling the $$ crunch already with all the expansion and new A/C they are getting.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:39 pm

If US comes back I think the LCCs should get scared, as the market revives it will only get more cut throat. If not other legacy should be, LCCs will quickly fill in the void, leaving the majors in bad situations, healthy LCCs with huge territories.

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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:41 pm

Hey freshlove1. In you're profile it says you work for a major, sorry but mesa is no major. And second, don't kid yourself. Southwest employees are the MOST and I reiterate MOST unionised and best compensated employees in the airline industry. So please state facts not thoughts.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:56 pm

DrJetMech....for your info I work for Mesa on the US Airways Express side so I know exactly what is going on, I could take the attitude and say "who cares my job is safe anyway", remember Mesa flys for HP and UA and I can transfer if US goes under, but I don't, I'd like to see them survive. I see this on information that is e-mailed to employees daily on what is happening and who it is happening to. Secondly I could care less how unionized WN is, big deal, dosen't effect me any. My theory is that unions are for the lazy people who don't want to work but yet want the big money. US really dosen't care about B6 and their JFK (which we don't serve) service. Until B6 starts running PHL-CLT, PIT-PHL and PHL-MCO and others there is really no need to worry about them.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:07 pm

DrJetMech --

WN's personnel are among the most unionized in the industry, but they are not, for the most part, among the best paid. Flight attendants and pilots' top salaries are well under the maximums at most major airlines. I've heard the mechanics rank higher, but for most other employees, WN salaries are generally lower. They do, however, get a decent amount of stock, which makes up for some of the difference.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:13 pm

I'm not arguing about any other fact than the union one. You basically are blaming union employees for US' troubles. And my point was that LUV has the most unions and one of the best compensated employees and still post a profit.
If you think your measly 60k/yr is hurting the bottom line, again I will say stop kidding yourself.
An airline is only as good as its management, and if they take million dollar bonuses and run the company into the groung , believe me you could be working for free and they would still loose money.
So please stop blaming the hard working employees and start with the people that should take the blame.
Most UNION employees are there for the long run and would love for the company to survuve. As for the higher ups they are there for 5 years lets say and get paid millions either way. So in turn they really do not care if the company makes it or not. They are in it for the short hual anywho.
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RE: US Airways?

Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:42 pm

Ssides, their pilots are number 2 or 3 for the aircraft type. Now you cannot compare them to a 777 pilot. As for the flight attendants, I agree they have it tough. But as I said they are One of the better paid employee wise( meaning everyone as a company). The mech's are the best paid in the industry right now. But the point was it's really not the employees pay as much as it is upper managements fault for not doing the jobs they get paid for. If I didn't do my job to the best of my ability, I would be fired or in jail for involuntary manslaughter.
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RE: US Airways?

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:31 am

Being that Payroll is the biggest expense(I think) at the airlines, US absolutely has to get their unions to come around. Granted, WN is turning a profit even with their unions, but US is a different airline. Partially the reason their in as much trouble as they are is because their overall costs are way too high; not just a problem pertaining to pay. However, like FreshLove said, it's either take the pay cut or lose your job. The industry isn't exactly in a shortage for jobs right now, so if these people want to continue to work in this industry, they better start looking down the road. Right now it's a big mess at US and i'm in no position to say where they need to start fixing, but I will say this, it needs to come from their people, both management and the workforce there. If management can start inspiring the people there that the company is worth saving, and salvageable for that matter, then you're going to have employees, no matter from what airline they came (PSA, Piedmont, etc.) start working together.

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