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Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:12 am

Egyptair will be improving its links with Japan. It serves both Tokyo and Osaka.

Currently it has twice weekly flights to Tokyo via Bangkok and Manilla, but from March they will be upgraded to 3 direct weekly flights, going up to 4 flights a week using A340s. The flights will go as follows:

MS864:-
Departs Cairo: 17:45 / Arrives Tokyo: 12:55 (next day)
MS865:-
Departs Tokyo: 15:30 / Arrives Cairo: 22:10



The Osaka flights will be upgraded from an A340 to a B777

MS862:-
Departs Cairo: 17:35 / Arrives Osaka: 11:55 (next day)
MS863:-
Departs Osaka: 13:55 / Arrives Cairo: 19:40
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 7:56 am

Sound good!

I have an OT question, How is MS 's Fleet plans? Do they still want to getrid of the 777s?
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:05 am

I don't believe MS is planning to get rid of the 777s anymore. It was being considered, but it seems they voted against it.

Good move.

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:05 am

Is there that much demand for flights from JPN to EGY??? I know the JAPS love to go sightseeing so EGYPT is an excellent place to do that but still is there that much demand? or will MS be reliant on capturing the transit pax market from JPN to CDG-LHR-FRA and other European and African cities?
 
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:16 am

korg747

I have just flown with Egyptair from Jeddah and I asked one of the stewards whether they were retiring the B777s. According to him the airline is disposing and replacing their Boeing jets (777s and 737s) with A320s and A330s. He said that Boeing has a 'bad' reputation here in Egypt since most crashes involve Boeing aircraft.

Behramjee

Egyptair is going through major restructuring and have dropped unprofitable routes whilst increasing flights on routes where there is demand. It is also very possible that they are trying to capture some transit passengers as they offer good on-board services at very competitive low airfares.
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:10 am

Behramjee,

Cairo is one of the largest cities in the world with a population of 16 million. Egypt has 100 million people.

I'd say there is demand for flights to every region of the world from Egypt.....

Horus,

Speaking of increasing of flights on high demand routes. This post of mine I made a while ago might interest you, go ahead and reply if you want:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1406484

Welcome to the forums by the way! It's good to finally see an Egyptian member on Airliners.net  Smile

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:23 am

Ahlan BA

Thanks for the welcoming

I think Egyptair's doing what MEA did a few years ago, restructuring (but not as drastic). Its good to see they are increasing frequency to Beirut. Only last year they were operating 5 flights a week using mainly B737-500s and now its 10 flights with A320s (must be a lot of travelling between these two habayib).

p.s. Egypt's population is only 72 million not 100. Big grin
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:39 am

Horus,

Were they really flying only 5x weekly to BEY? Did they also have the 1x weekly Cairo - Alexandria - Beirut flight or no?

I flew CAI-BEY back in March on MEA. It was a nice flight. The flight wasn't full though because the war in Iraq was starting...

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:50 am

BA

Yeah they operated 5 flight from Cairo to Beirut and 1 flight from Alex to Beirut. There were no flights on Tuesdays.

I've never been to Beirut (the only major Arab Middle Eastern city I haven't been too yet).
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:02 am

Beirut is beautiful. Worth a visit.

Do you happen to know of a site with any photos of Cairo Airport?

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:04 am

Salam alekom Horus

I flew MS return from NRT to BKK via Manila some twelve years ago on a 743 Combi. The cabin service and food exceded my expecations and I would fly with them again readily.

On the flight we took with them, there were many young leisure travellers (like myself) using it to get to the Thai beaches etc from winter in Japan. They had the most inexpensive fares from Japan at the time. I wonder if they'll be losing some of their market by flying exclusively direct?

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:14 am

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No sorry, but they have really improved Terminal 1 (Egyptair's Terminal). I flew from there last month to go to Jeddah. They have really modernised it-the final part to refurbished is the check-in area. Terminal 2 will get the next 'face-lift'. Work on Terminal 3 should begin soon once bidding for which construction firm is going to get the contract is over. Passenger numbers at Cairo Airport only dropped by 0.5% following the 9/11 attacks, so there is pressure to finish the new terminal quickly to meet growing demand . It is even more vital if Egypt wins the bid to host the 2010 World Cup.
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:17 am

Sounds good Horus.

I saw some of the renovated area in Terminal 1, it looks great.

Do you know of any website where I can get more information on Cairo Airport or specifically the future Terminal 3?

Does Cairo Airport have an official website?

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:20 am

Motorhussy

I can see your point but I am sure they wouldn't have done it if demand on the NRT-Manilla-BKK flights was still there, especially since they are restructuring the airline to make it more competitve and profitable.

Who knows only time will tell if this was a good move...
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:23 am

BA

They don't have a website yet, but I remember last year they said they will be launching one.

When did you go T1?
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:24 am

Horus,

I went to T1 last March.

Flew CAI-BEY on MEA's brand new A321.

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:30 am

BA

What about the BEY-CAI sector? Did you also fly MEA?
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:32 am

Horus,

I didn't fly BEY-CAI.

My entire itinerary took me DEN-LHR on British Airways, then LHR-CAI on British Airways, I spent a week in Cairo, then I flew CAI-BEY on MEA, spent another week in Beirut, then I flew BEY-LHR on British Airways (Operated by British Mediterranean), then LHR-DEN on British Airways.

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:41 am

BA

Ahh, OK

Thats a lot of travelling just to stay a week in Cairo and Beirut. Why didn't you fly MEA to Paris and connect with an AF flight to DEN?
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:42 am

Air France doesn't fly to Denver. Only British Airways and Lufthansa.

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:51 am

zayyak ya horus,

I flew IST-CAI, CAI-LXR and ASW-CAI back in 1997 all on egyptair and remember thinking that the airport needed a major renovation.

Is this the terminal 1 which has now been renovated that you speak of?

And of course, ahlan wa sahlan to you on a.net



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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:59 am

Ana bi'7ir, kif halak Airxliban?

Yeah, they've almost finished renovating T1 and T2 should get the treatment next.

we shokran 3ala il mo2abla dee Big grin
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:03 am

tikram aynak ya horus,

incidentally is that libyan air 707 still at HECA? is it just going to sit there for ever? it looked so nice in that one picture at Athens...


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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:06 am

Airxliban,

Yes it is still there. I think there are 3 or 4.

My gosh, how depressing that comparison is. One year it's all nice and beautiful flying proudly and the next it's sitting in the middle of the desert deteriorating...

So sad....

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:08 am

Airxliban

Yeah its still there along with its sistership. When I was there last week, they were joined by another B707 but I couldn't tell which airline it belonged to.
There were rumours that one will be restored and put on display once the new terminal is opened and other may become a resturant...there are only rumours, nothing confirmed.
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:13 am

Why did Libya give them to Egypt?

You'd think they'd be sitting in Tripoli or Benghazi....

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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:56 am

"I have just flown with Egyptair from Jeddah and I asked one of the stewards whether they were retiring the B777s. According to him the airline is disposing and replacing their Boeing jets (777s and 737s) with A320s and A330s. He said that Boeing has a 'bad' reputation here in Egypt since most crashes involve Boeing aircraft"

Interesting, but How is the A330 going to replace the 777 on announced newly routes like Tokyo and even Jfk? I don't think the A330 has that range for it really. It will have a nice big payload penalty if they send the A332. And I don't think they will use their only 3 A342s for all these routes. Are they planing to be buy or replace the 777s and the 743s with more A342s or even A345/6? Cause that would make sense. Also as I understand it, the A330 where meant to replace the A300s not the 777 and 743. Do you have any Information about that?
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RE: Egyptair Improving Japan Operations

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:32 am

korg747

1. Tokyo and JFK are not new routes. Tokyo is only being upgraded. A340s will be used on the Tokyo and Osaka flights, but it is possible to fly to New York without any payload restrictions with an A330.

2. Since Egyptair become a holding company, it is suggested that they will place an order for 2 A340-600s (with a further 2 on option) as they did before they cancelled that order. They may also purchase more A330 depending on how successful they are once they are introduced this summer.

3. About the A330 replacing the B777 or A300. Well it is a bit of both. The A300a are mainly used on domestic and African routes and since Egyptair has received the new A320s they are replacing them on these routes and increasing frequency. The A330s are also 'planned' to replace the B777s on European/Middle Eastern routes. As mentioned in point 2 they might order more A330.

I hope that answers your questions and please ask me if you have more queries
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