MAH4546
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CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:15 am

Effective 6 March 2004:

CO 2798 CLE 0905-1110 JAX
CO 2799 JAX 1400-1602 CLE

Operates Saturday-only with an ERJ through 01May04.
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scottysair
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:29 am

It is very good to hear for CO and is make resume with their flight to JAX again. It is good to come back of business again from CLE-JAX again. Thanks for information, MAH4546!  Smile
 
toltommy
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:35 am

Shouldn't the title be " COEX to resume CLE-JAX"?

I wonder when the last time was that CO (not express) actually introduced new service in CLE? Those jungle jets are okay for the short hops, but the 2 hour+ flights have gotten so common that I gave up on CO and switched to NW.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:38 am

Also a reason you are seeing this flight is for the Cruise market, several cruise lines have based a ship out of JAX! So I am sure a block of those seats on each and every flight are already spoken for. And I agree it should be CO-EX announce new service.
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artsyman
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:45 am

Shouldn't the title be " COEX to resume CLE-JAX"?
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While Expressjet is its own company, every passenger they carry is a Continental Airlines passenger. Continental pays ExpressJet a fixed amount for every flight (whether it is full or empty), and Continental (not Expressjet) decides where and when Expressjet flies. The purpose of Expressjet is to be a regional carrier for Continental Airlines, and to support the hub / spoke system that they have.

Therefore as Expressjet has no means to sell you a ticket, and from a branding perspective Expressjet really do not exist to the general public, the routes are announced via Continental Airlines.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:59 am

Wow, an ERJ flying intercontinental.. Something told me this was right around the corner...

 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:09 am

Uh...how is Cleveland, Ohio to Jacksonville, Florida, intercontinental? Greg
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:21 am

Express jet was spun off----no longer wholly owned by CO...
BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:35 am

Right around the corner? Huh???

UA going from SFO to AUS. DL going from DFW to OAK. DEN to Raleigh and Birmingham on UA. All RJ's. This is nothing new or special.Since all these routes are within North America they would all be considered intra-continental. "Intra" that is.

CO is not the only one doing long RJ flights.

I hear people argue on here all the time that Regional jets need separate websites, separate advertising, separate check-in, separate everything cause it is not mainline. What is the point??

 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:19 am

Express jet was spun off----no longer wholly owned by CO...
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I know this, but the situation is exactly as I said it was. The system still works the same way, and you still cannot buy an expressjet ticket

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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:46 am

Okay, I'll meet you halfway. How about this?

CO confirms CLE-JAX service, to be operated by COEX.

I think it's important to point out to those not as knowledgable as A.net members that you won't be getting a 737 on a 2 hour+ flight. If I needed to fly CLE-JAX, I'd look for another option. I don't like riding in the upper deck of a 747 on a transpacific crossing, and I don't like an RJ beyond 75 mins or so. But that's just me....
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:25 am

Also of note, the seasonal CLE-SAN was dropped at the last schedule change. Any idea why?
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:30 am

End of the season that they planned it for? CO would probably have COEX serve it year round if they could just figure out how to put drop tanks on the Jungle Jets...  Big grin
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:42 am

TOLtommy,

CLE-SAN only operated in the summer, usually starting in May or June, and operating until just after Labor Day. It was in the schedule to fly this year but now its gone.
 
LambertMan
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:52 am

CLE's lack of ability to support flights to the West Coast amazes me.....2x to LAX, 1x SFO, no SNA, no SAN, no PDX, and a 1x daily seasonal 73G to SEA. In a word, yikes. In my opinion that is sad for a market the size of CLE (2.9m)they should be able to support something a little more.

Moving on......CLE-JAX on an RJ is long but not that terrible. You guys should be used to it in CLE Big grin. Come to think of it, I'll be flying STL-JAX soon on a RJ to look at DCA.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:59 am

actually our SEA flight is now year round. And they are going to be having two flights a day I believe this summer, including a red-eye. Summer picks up and so does LAX flights, not to mention additional PHX, & new SLC service.
As for SAN, its to bad, the load factor last year was outstanding, who knowsmaybe they will decide to put it back in.
 
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CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:53 am

DAMN... Didnt the original message say CLE-LAX with ERJ service? If not, these drugs I am taking for my Pneumonia are really messing with my mind!

[Edited 2004-02-23 23:54:29]
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:06 am

Even CLE-LAX wouldnt be intercontinental...sorry...try again!

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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:12 am

LambertMan:
When are you coming to JAX to look at DCA? I'd guess that you'd be looking at JU too, no? I think we used to get MD80s on the STL route, but of course now its an RJ...

At any rate, it's good that JAX is picking up another flight. I honestly think that the area is underserved in terms of flying. Delta's cut back quite a bit here, and to be honest I think the area could support more...from what I hear JAX was trying to woo Frontier and JetBlue - both of which would make nice additions here. I guess we'll only see JAX be a busy airport when the super bowl is held in Jacksonville next year...
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LambertMan
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:05 am

Probably in a month of so, I am also going to look at Embry-Riddle. I've heard bad things about Embry Riddle from a non-academic stanpoint, social life is what I'm getting at. I'll let you know when I come so maybe we can meet up somewhere on the campus.

CALMSP, the CLE-SEA flight isn't currently running...
 
MAH4546
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:25 am

CALMSP, the CLE-SEA flight isn't currently running...

Yeah it is:

CO 1457 CLE 0900-1110 SEA 738 Su
CO 1457 CLE 0920-1130 SEA 73G xSu

CO 508 SEA 0710-1435 CLE 73G xSa
CO 508 SEA 0925-1650 CLE 738 Sa

However, there is no second daily in the schedule for this summer. As well, the flight will be suspended on 07Sep04. Will most likely resume later.
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yxskip
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:39 am

Will CO ever use the Cleveland hub to its potential?
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:42 am

Will CO ever use the Cleveland hub to its potential?
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Not until the city actually makes an effort to help the airline instead of cripling it with some of the nations highest landing fees, and taking forever to build a new runway.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:43 am

Didn't CO announce CLE-SLC not long ago? That's mainline service.
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:01 am

"Will CO ever use the Cleveland hub to its potential?"
They need more international service out of there to reach its full potential.
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LambertMan
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:05 am

Odd, when I would do a search on Continental.com it would turn up only connections through IAH. Oh well, thx for the correction Mah.

Yxskip, that is kind of a hard question.....
I can't decide if CLE has realized its maximum potential with CO, or if there is a world of it out there that hasn't been exploited yet.

Trijet, CLE doesn't have the demand for much more than the seasonal LGW flight along with your limited carribbean and canadian services. The landing fees are ridiculous and CO isn't willing to take a risk on something such as CDG because it could turn into a huge loser. High landing fees+ empty 762=one massive failure.

[Edited 2004-02-24 02:08:01]
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:06 am

wow whats funny here is that for once....DAB which is underserved had somthing that JAX didnt.... From Dec- through may DAB has daily CLE service for the busy season.... im suprised to hear JAX doesnt already have it.
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:09 am

If you ask me, I'm not surprised if Continental decides to let go of CLE as a major hub. It doesn't seem to be much use to Continental, according to what you say. CLE was never the hub that STL used to be...by far. CLE seems almost to be the burden for CO that STL was for AA.
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LambertMan
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:14 am

Thrust, CLE doesn't overlap like STL did at AA(AA only does at STL to a small extent now as I believe it is something like a 75% o/d operation). CO isn't leaving CLE anytime soon becaues it fills a niche as a domestic connecting hub for CO. I say anytime soon based on the assumption that UA doesn't fold.
BTW, as much as I like reminiscing about the STL hub days, let's try to keep it to a minimum. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:24 am

IMHO - Now that HP dropped CMH as a hub I think the powers that be, will work harder to keep CO in CLE and to grow and strengthen the market as the economy recovers. Even tho I believe CO is not leaving CLE anytime soon.
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:27 am

OK, a few points. 1) Yeah CLE is a big market population wise, but it's per capita income is quite low. While there is a lot of money in Cleveland for sure (dating back to the days of Rockefeller and Standard Oil), it's very concentrated, not spread throughout the population like in smaller white collar cities like CMH or RDU. 2) Co is a small airline compared to AA, DL, UA, even NW. So CO ain't gonna filter people in like those three airlines-- that's my only explanation for why DL seems so effective at CVG-- a much smaller city than CLE. CO is much closer to profitable by the way. 3) Is it me, or would CLE be better served pouring money in to that embarrassing terminal rather than runways? 4) Many of Cleveland's closest business partner cities, are in ample driving distance-- PIT, DTW, CVG, CMH, even ORD almost, and for a low per capita income city, DCA isn't bad-- taking away the need for flying even further (combined with point 1). 5) Yeah I know I'm rambling. CLE is in a terrible pickel as far as landing fees-- the airport is on such a small footprint of land, that they just don't have the parking revenue and other fees of airports without that problem. So I don't know what you expect CLE to do-- cut landing fees-- OK, but where else to get more money.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:38 am

Ncflyer, nicely put. Just one thing, If you are using city only stats like I think you are, look at the MIA market. Their household income for the city is dreadfully low, but when you look at the burbs where most of the CEO's and high ranking business men live you've got yourself quite a base of premium passengers. The same holds true for STL to a lesser extent, and CLE is in somewhat of a similar boat.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:38 am

I do agree that CLE does need to upgrade the INSIDE of the terminal. In concourse C, there is not enough seating and the terminal is worn. When CLE/CO built concourse D, I hoped that they would renovate C to compliment D.
 
ncflyer
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:59 am

Lambertman, I think all of NE ohio is dreadful. In cleveland city proper, only 20% of the households have incomes over $50,000 (that was in today's paper, as the Mayor is making a big push to get more wealthy folks to move to the city proper)-- that's beyond dreadful, that's downright scary. The region isn't nearly that pathetic, but NE Ohio over the last 30 years has lagged the nation's per capita income growth by a wide margin (I need to search for some more specific stats).
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:22 pm

Everyone has been making excellent points. Cleveland itself can't fill the flights BUT, with Continental using their Marketing staff, they can build CLE as "an easy place to connect". Why connect thru IAH or EWR with all the hustle and bustle? I think the biggest asset CLE has is it's convenience, and that remains untapped.
 
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RE: CO To Resume CLE-JAX

Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:42 pm

It is true once you get out of Cleveland proper you have some very, very wealthy areas. And considering the decline in PIT that should work to strengthen CLE, as choice of flying from PIT and having to connect or driving to CLE and getting a non stop, what would the normal person do. Same now that CMH is no longer a hub for HP.
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