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BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:21 am


Reported in today's Daily Telegraph at the end of an article about the new RR Trent engine for the A380 was a one-line snippet that LHR is expecting 160 A380 flights per day by 2016 (which undoubtedly means 90 aircraft).

Anyone else think that this figure means that they are anticipating BA to order some as well?

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:45 am

Thai, Emirates, Malaysian, Virgin, Singapore, Qatar, Qantas, Korean, and probably Cathay Pacific to use them on the dailies - i'd say that equates to 30 aircraft per day - so yes i'd say they were looking at BA getting some. Even then, i doubt they will get 90 aircraft a day - they dont get that in 777's today - and the A380, wonderful as it is, wont be as numerous as that aircraft, for obvious reasons.

Have to assume that ANA, JAL, BA, EL-AL, Sri Lankan, Asiana, Air India, and possibly Air Canada and Eva Air of the existing long-haul operators out of LHR will buy them eventually, if they meet spec. But we are talking decades here.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:23 am

At the moment, there seems little sign of prepatation work to accomodate the A380 at LHR.

Apart from the development work in Terminal 3 at the moment.. i.e. the demolition and re-building of the old Hotel/Juliet pier, you have to wonder where they will find enough stands to put a/c on!
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:44 am

When passing through LHR on Friday evening, I did see work on a few taxiways - though whether this was A380 relevant or just general maintenance I don't know.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:50 am

. . . LHR is expecting 160 A380 flights per day by 2016 (which undoubtedly means 90 aircraft) . . .
Uhm, 80 aircraft perhaps?


At the moment, there seems little sign of prepatation work to accomodate the A380 at LHR . . .

Look out of the blue . . . it's called Terminal 5, and its the largest airport construction site ever on British soil.

How many daily 747 flights does LHR has at the moment, how will that translate into 2016 [will there be another SE runway except at STN???].
Althoug 80 may seem a lot, if [log-haul] traffic continues to grow at 3-5% pace per year until 2016, 80 may be a bit on the low side if there is no additional runway at LHR or LGW.


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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:56 am

PW100......

Sorry mate, but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use.....

BA have no plans fot the A380!!!!!
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:08 am

Beg my pardon for the poor maths - my brain wasn't quite functioning properly after reading how many flights are anticipated.

If push comes to shove and LHR is opened up for US airlines and they have to relinquish slots, then I daresay that BA will consider them (especially if no extra LHR runway is built).

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:35 am

I'm sure BAA have big plans to renovate T1, T2 and T3 to accommodate the A380. In fact, they've probably devised a three-part plan:

They'll start by demolishing all the boarding lounges and replacing them with more World Duty Free shops, Bally of Switzerland boutiques and Pret A Manger outlets.

Then they'll find the one remaining window at LHR that looks out on the apron and put a Sunglass Hut in front of it.

Finally, any remaining wall space will be covered up with the HSBC logo.

Then - and only then - will BAA dust off their hands and declare LHR "ready for the A380."  Smile

 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:07 am

There are already about 4-6 stands that are A380 compatible in T3 and that work Mhodgson spoke about was more than likely due to the A380 too as they have already begun work on strengthening/widening the taxiways on some parts of the airfield. One stand even has A380 dual level jetties already !!.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:31 am

I would definently expect NRT and HKG to also have a strong A380 presence.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:32 am


"Sorry mate, but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use"

I thought QF would continue to share the BA terminal at LHR when the move to T5 happens. If thats the case then T5 will definitely have A380 action from Qantas.
 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:10 am

As Leezyjet says, LHR has already commenced A380 renovations to taxi-ways - so yes they are putting money where thir mouth is.

Will be interesting to see whether BA opt for the A380 in the future.
 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:03 pm

Hmmm, have we taken into account that a large number carriers would operate the A380 into LHR based on one reason and ONE REASON ONLY!!!!

SLOT RESTRICTIONS!!!

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:33 pm

Is it possible that maybe Lufthansa would consider purchasing the A380? What about Iberia, or Air Canada? Air France? Alitalia?
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:14 pm

Thrust

Is it possible that maybe Lufthansa would consider purchasing the A380?

Umm,I think Lufthansa already placed an Order for the A380!  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:49 pm

It's probable that NZ will upgrade their daily 744 from AKL via LAX to the A380. They'd need three to do this plus two for the daily non-stop to NRT. We're talking before 2016, but 2010 would be the earliest I'd have thought.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:03 pm

Considering that SQ I believe has a 4th daily flight into LHR being negotiated it seems probable that if they continue they will progress to A380s eventually. I don't know about 160 flights. I would suggest probably more like 160 movements per day would be more in order. I think NRT will have more daily by that time though.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:29 am

Folks,

I think in the end, LHR's Terminal 5 will get a good amount of A380-800 operations. I believe that T5 will become the main OneWorld international terminal at LHR, and that means we'll see QF A388's and possibly CX A388's (leased through ILFC) operating in and out of this new terminal. I wouldn't be surprised that within the next year or so we'll see a number of Terminal 4 gates rebuilt with dual-level air bridges so they could accommodate SQ, EK and VS A388's starting in 2006.
 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:38 am

AF also has ordered the A380
 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:48 am

I can see some of the AF's A380s operating CDG-AMS-LHR...
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For real, if there is no change in the slot politics at LHR it will be inevitable to see A LOT of A380s there. Which I think is good.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:15 am

Jsnnw81 - you read my mind ! You missed a step.

In order to "improve customer service" BAA will remove any double jetways remaining on T3 gates and reduce the amount of air conditioning as well - that way, so many people waiting in line to board their A380's will die of suffocation or damp-induce pneumonia before reaching the jetway, that the aircraft will be able to depart on time.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:32 am

. . . but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use.....
BA have no plans fot the A380!!!!!


I'm sure some of BA's partners will fly in A380 into T5.

The main thing is that I would be very surprised if BA would not be flying large numbers of 380s by 2016, even possible as soon as 2010. Just look at the design of T5, it has A380 written all over it. I wonder if BA can stay competative with [aging-] 744s and 777 only after 2010, when most of their competitors will steal lots of traffic with their own A380 flights.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:25 am

To continue with my tongue-in-cheek analysis of BAA and LHR:

In their A380 readiness study, BAA realized that the check-in 'aisles' at T3 are far too wide. They'll eliminate two of them - after all, American, United and Virgin Atlantic don't REALLY need their own check-in areas) and narrow the rest of them by about ten feet.

Look for the ceiling in the T2 ground floor check-in area to be lowered by about six feet. Also, those bizarre inclined ramps connecting the ground and first floors of T2 will become the LHR standard.

Over at T1, look for lots of plywood walls and signs promising a complete reconstruction.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:10 am

Terminal 5 will surely be a stunner, a project that Britain can be proud of, but i wonder how many shops BAA will decide to cram into the terminal?  Big grin
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:25 am

Jsnww81....

Try working there...

We all see the funny side at LHR....

Can't wait for terminal "Bluewater"..esp if anything like T3!
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:15 am

"I wouldn't be surprised that within the next year or so we'll see a number of Terminal 4 gates rebuilt with dual-level air bridges so they could accommodate SQ, EK and VS A388's starting in 2006."

Why do you assume these carriers will move to T4 ???. By 2011 T1 will be the STAR Alliance terminal so SQ will probably be in there by then, and VS are quite happy in T3 and I can't see Emirates wanting to move to the far side either. It's a pain in the @$$ for connecting passengers getting to/from T4 not to mention the added taxi times from 27R/09L and the inevitable hold to cross 27L/09R so I can't see the airlines falling over themselves to relocate to T4.


The Info I have at the mo about the terminal situation is that from 2008-2011 Bmi will be the main operator out of T1 as by then BA will have moved most if not all flights out to T4/5. The terminal will then undergo major renovation and be extended outwards to where the top level of the drop off point is now. All the check-in "islands" and most of the landside shops will be ripped out and the check-in desks will be refitted to resemble the way they are in T4 in one long line. The international pier (pier 2 ??) will become domestic and will be in the middle of the International gates so domestic pax can transfer more easily and the Europier will be extended out to where runway 23 is now. Once the terminal has been completely revamped then the Star Alliance carriers will move in and T1 will become the Star Alliance terminal. They are also studying plans to make one large departure area for ALL destinations rather than have seperate Dom and Int lounges and use facial recognition technology to stop International pax going to the Domestic gates and vice versa.

BA want T4 and 5 and to have T2 for the other One World operators that won't fit in T5, and T3 will be for the remainder of the airlines that ain't in any alliances.

I got that info from a friend who was at a meeting with BAA regarding the future of T1 a couple of weeks ago so read into it what you want but thats what I was told.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:22 pm

On the subject of A380's, it would seem to me that the T1 Europier is the one structure at LHR designed with double-decker loading in mind - how much adaptation would be required, do we imagine ?
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:11 am

JGPH1A,

No modifications would need to be made, they are already dual a/c size stands anyway. It would just mean boarding via one jetbridge on the lower deck.

However for practicality they would need to install another jetbridge to reach the upper deck which shouldn't mean too much of a modification to the existing buildings.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:33 am

They are also studying plans to make one large departure area for ALL destinations rather than have seperate Dom and Int lounges and use facial recognition technology to stop International pax going to the Domestic gates and vice versa.

IMHO this is not required. It's perfectly appropriate to have common departure lounges and then do a passport check at the gate to verify international departures.

For example Newcastle where everyone is the same (Int. and Dom.) right up until you board the aircraft.
 
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:46 am

I know what your saying, I thought it sounded a bit hi-tech for LHR, but it is only a proposal at the moment and it is still 7 years away so that technology might be commonplace in airports by then anyway.

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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:52 am

All of those airlines serving LHR with 747s now will not necessarily translate into A380s. The 747 will still be around for quite some time to come.

Keep in mind that the figure says that by 2016!!!!!!

By then, the 7E7 will be around and hopefully a newer 747, and the Airbus response to the 7E7. So it really is imposible to predict how many movements LHR will have then.
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RE: BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight

Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:17 am

By then, the 7E7 will be around and hopefully a newer 747, and the Airbus response to the 7E7. So it really is imposible to predict how many movements LHR will have then

The number of [A380] movements will be driven by runway capacity ie. will there be a third parallel runway at LHR? No third runway, there may be more A380 movements than those 160.

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