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Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:53 pm

In this days it's a debate in Italy about the future of Alitalia. Italy is one of the top 3 Europe's market in the sky, but its flag carrier lost the competitiveness and the prestige of once.
On TV i saw yesterday an interesting documentary film about Alitalia, when in the '60s and the '70s Alitalia was a synonymous of efficiency and elegance recognised everywhere.
Then has arrived the '80s and the seasons of the Unions that 'took over' the control of the National flag carrier and seasons of wrong decisions by the management and several strikes.
Two days ago Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has finally announced he's going to follow personally the restructuring plan of Alitalia and he announced that the Government wants now to hasten the process to sell the airline.
The facts the PM showed are really clear: Alitalia lost more than half of its presence in the Italian and world market in the last 15 years due to a strong domestic competitiveness but especially because many foreign airlines were able to take advantage of an unforeseen opportunity. The Italian market represented so a fortune for airlines like LH, AF, BA and KL that are able to offer a vast network of services with an higher efficiency.
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:15 pm

For which airlines Italy represents a priority market?
The list seams to be: LH, KL, AF, BA, IB (?). What's yr opinion?
I didn't mentioned FR that has in Italy its second most important market after the UK..
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:30 pm

Delta is also doing well from ATL/JFK.

Now just venice, milan and rome, but still a lot in codeshare via CDG.
"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:29 am

To follow up KEESJE, I read somewhere that ATL-MXP is Delta's most profitable transatlantic route. I recently flew JFK-VCE and then FCO-JFK. The Rome flight had a lot of transfer traffic on it. I was really shocked, actually! The JFK-VCE is a really nice flight. That area of Italy is very wealthy, and I'm glad to see a connection from the US to it. And the Venice airport is so nice! I was on the shuttle boat to the islands in a very short amount of time.
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:35 pm

Yes, i agree with both of You, in 2003 the Delta's most profitable transatlantic route it was ATL-MXP.
But it's not only Delta (that it's a partner of AZ) to have profitable routes in Italy. Lufthansa has in the Italian market the second most important after the same German market.
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:22 pm

I coincide with VCE, finally one will take care of our carrier FAR better than the unions...

I hope a good future for ALITALIA, it's one of the best out there. Their product is still strong and well-known worldwide. And from personal experience, their new 777s are MARVELOUS.

Forza Italia, Forza Alitalia!

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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:31 pm

"That area of Italy is very wealthy, and I'm glad to see a connection from the US to it. And the Venice airport is so nice! "

Actually, the region of Veneto is the 5th most rich region of Europe.  Laugh out loud
After 1st. Lombardy (Italy), 2nd. Piemonte (Italy), 3rd. Ille de France and 4th. Frankfurt Region (name?).

The new terminal is great, new, high-quality, modern, luminous and nice; a good example of the Made in Italy.
This year it is expected a traffic of 6Million pax. A 1.5 increase from last year.
There are plans of an adjacent terminal, starting construction 2006.

Regards,
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:10 am

I missed to remind another airline that in Italy has a strong presence: Scandinavian Airlines. Skål!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:17 am

It depends on the market. Some markets are lower-yielding than others, but I'm sure Italy makes airlines money. In the US, five of the six trans-Atlantic carriers fly to Rome.

Trans-Atlantic wise, one of the US-Italy markets problems is lack of premium business traffic. This is why Alitalia's best performing trans-Atlantic routes are New York City and Miami, two markets where there is healthy business travel from Milan. The launch of Washington, D.C. will also probably bring healthy business travel on that market with a lot of political traffic.
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RE: Is Italy A 'fortune' For Many Foreign Airlines?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:20 am

I agree with Your opinion MAH4546.