Motorhussy
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Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:30 pm

Read a small article in this morning's paper about the Star Alliance Group being in negotiations with Boeing for a joint purchase of the 7E7.

Has anyone read anything further on this or know any more about how far down the line they are etc? Which particular airlines? What numbers we're talking?

As far as I can make out Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana, LOT, Mexicana, Singapore, United and Varig could all do with them, perhaps even some of the others that are already operating the A332.

Thoughts? Insights?
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:39 pm

Interestingly, as we are on opposite sides of the globe: Similar story in the papers here in Norway, too. But the story seems very vague and inconclusive. I bet the 7E7 will be a strong contender, though!

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:47 pm

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:49 pm

Hopefully not.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:50 pm

Well, if you post the news do it properly, please. The consideredd joint purchase will likely be for a wide-body requirement and might include the A330, A340 and B7E7 - nothing that STAR wil lfor sure buy the B7E7, even though the chances are not small.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:52 pm

@KA
Why "hopefully not"?
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:14 am

Ka:

Here's how the airline business works. If an airline can get a good deal on an airplane that will fit their needs they will buy it.
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:17 am

What paper is this in? Do you have a link to the article?
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:18 am

LMP737,

Not according to a.net armchair CEO's. According to them, airlines will buy the "best looking " plane (whatever that means), repaint their fleet every two weeks and conduct a complete fleet rollover every year or so. Big grin
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:27 am

LMP737,
don't forget nwa they will never do any of the above  Smile
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:51 am

i believe Singapore will be the launch customer for the 7e7, they've already ordered some...
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:01 am

Mexicana is not a member of Star Alliance any longer.
Also saying "hopefully not" does not state a decision by an armchair CEO but a personal opinion.
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:06 am

MX is on its way out of Star Alliance, so it is probably not involved in any joint negotiation with the other members for the purchase of aircraft. It would be really cool, though, if they eventually bought some 7E7s.
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:37 am

Highliner2,

Does Singapore Airlines know already that they ordered the 7E7?  Laugh out loud
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:42 am

i believe Singapore will be the launch customer for the 7e7, they've already ordered some...

Can you substantiate that?

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

LH has stated plainly that they're not interested, but would be more so if it had a sidestick option.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:46 am

Highliner2,

Boeing has no hard signature for the 7E7 yet.
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:00 am

Dont think Airbus sitting n waiting for 7E7 to get customers without a fight!!
They´ll come up with something......soon, very soon  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:24 am

Oh grow up... What is up with all of you!? Quit being a loser, and give us facts that compliment your ridiculous opinions. Seems like any kid under 13 can join these intellectual conversations, nowadays...  Yeah sure
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:49 am

From an industry brief dated yesterday...

"The Star Alliance is reportedly developing joint specifications for new long-haul aircraft that its member carriers expect to buy from Boeing and Airbus. The long-haul standards currently being discussed with the alliance's 15 airlines would encompass aircraft such as Boeing's new 7E7 aircraft and Airbus models such as the A330 and A340."

As an aside, the title of this thread is very misleading. By stating "Star Alliance to buy 7E7" it sounds like a purchase has been made, which is far from true.
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:56 am

The 7E7 is a Boeing aircraft, which is US therefore, the launch customer should be UA, CO, AA, DLor NW. UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767. Only Lufthansa was the foreign launch customer (for the 737).


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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:56 am

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

And US$ 100 say that LH will not install PTV's in Economy Class  Big thumbs up.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:07 am

Patrick, I am sure that LH will install PTV's on their new 7E7 ASAP, because Mr. Mayrhofer is certainly reading all the "expert comments" here on a.net. Big grin
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:20 am

Of course Jens, I am sure that many airlines already cut staff in certain departments like fleet management etc., the executive committee is simply reading some topics on a.net, than they know what aircraft type they have to order Big grin.

By the way, the name of the new LH guy is Myerhuber.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:28 am

"The 7E7 is a Boeing aircraft, which is US therefore, the launch customer should be UA, CO, AA, DLor NW. UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767. Only Lufthansa was the foreign launch customer (for the 737)."

Nonsense! Why?


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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:34 am

"UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767."

This is incorrect. UA was the launch customer for both the 777 and 767.
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:39 am

Patrick,

Lets compromise on "Mayrhuber".  Smile BTW I have heard that AB will cut certain staff in crew scheduling in order to finance the introduction of PTV's in their fleet.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:43 am

And BA was the joint launch customer with EA for the 757 Smile
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:44 am

Lets compromise on "Mayrhuber".

These Austrians sure have difficult names  Big thumbs up.

BTW I have heard that AB will cut certain staff in crew scheduling in order to finance the introduction of PTV's in their fleet.

We should move our discussion to this forum: Teenage Armchair Airline CEOs  Big grin.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:48 am

UA was the launch customer for both the 777 and 767.

If my memory serves. . .UA based their "needs" for a 767-type off of their DEN-ORD and DEN-BOS routes. I think they initially ordered 18, or 19 762s.

JAL launched the 763 (nonER).

And yes, UA launched the 777.
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:28 am

Flying-Tiger

Well, if you post the news do it properly, please.


Did you mean to sound so arrogant with your post? I merely asked some pertinent questions based around a relatively small article lacking in substantial information.

Or is it because English is not your mother tongue, your spelling is marginal. And your answer was not terribly enlightening.

All

BTW, the title of the thread was the title of the newspaper article I read (from the Dominion Post of Wellington off their NZ post abroad - articles over the wire from foreign papers) and I kept it as such knowing that it was qualified in the body copy and that it would provide compelling enough reason for many to read - Boeing, Airbus and neutrals (like me) included.

Some if not many members of the Start Alliance will purchase the 7E7, so it is not misleading Ord.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:25 am

"Some if not many members of the Start Alliance will purchase the 7E7, so it is not misleading Ord."

I don't mean to get into semantics, but "will purchase" means definite. Unless I'm wrong, I have yet to see any carrier, Star Alliance or otherwise, order a single 7E7 aircraft. Perhaps "may purchase" or "probably purchase" is more like it.

I'm not saying anything bad toward you, Motorhussy, but toward the person that wrote the article's headline.
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:40 am

Thanks Ord - sorry, should have read Star Alliance.

Also, it appears that more accurate (media) reports have applied the article to an RFP to both major manufacturers for the Alliance's future fleet requirements.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:30 am

I have a feeling that ANA or JAL will be the first to order it. They have alot of 767's in the JDM fleet.
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:55 am

Lets look at the alliance-

AC-Airbus, Airbus, Airbus Widebody Fleet-330/340/744
NZ-A definite possibility 7E7 and 773 Widebody Fleet-763/744
ANA-Another definite possibility (loyal Boeing Widebody Fleet-767/777/744
OZ-Another Boeing lover Widebody Fleet-763, 744
OS-Umm...no Widebody Fleet-332/340
BD-Airbus again Widebody Fleet-332
LOT-A good chance, suits their needs Widebody Fleet-763
LH-One word...sidestick Widebody Fleet-763/330/340/744
SAS-Another European Airbus Lover Widebody Fleet-332/343
SQ-JUST SIGN THE CONTRACT! Widebody Fleet-777/744
JK- no widebodies Widebody Fleet-NONE
TG- 346/345...pattern? Widebody Fleet-300/310/744/340
UA-BROKE Widebody Fleet-767/77/747
RG-Possible for 763 replacement Widebody Fleet-763, 777

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:00 am

OZ-Another Boeing lover Widebody Fleet-763, 744

OZ plans an extensive A330 fleet, as well as using Airbus narrowbodies.

TG operates the 330 as well.

RG also operates the M11 and the 777 doesn't seem like it'll stay long.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:33 am

I heard RG was getting more 777s?

anyone confirm,
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:26 am

If you think it was arrogant, okay, think so. But before putting such a "definite header" in place you should rather check if your info is 100% correct, if not it is just plainly misleading.

BTW, ORD more or less wrote the same I did. English isn't my mother tongue, but I meant as I wrote it. After 12 years of English both in school and in the job my understanding isn't the worst... Still, it seems that you decided to ignore my "please" but well, who cares?

Still, can you tell me which part of my posting you see as arrogant? Just curious...

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:34 am

I've looked on the Boeing website and checked out the 7E7. My first impressions were that it did not seem very modern looking on the outside and I'm also wondering, what distinguishes this from, say, the 777? Is this competing with the 380?
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:44 am

YULguy-Alot of the enhancements are on the inside. Better fuel efficency. Better environmentally, and better passenger comfort. Your right, the 7E7 still looks like a tube with wings, but on the inside its "a whole different animal."  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:05 pm

yeah, let´s get back to the topic. as AA787 has pointed out, the 7E7, according to current stats, is a very "enhanced" aircraft design. pretty light, pretty low fuel consumption.

according to Boeing, the stretched derivative (the third one out of the currently considered derivatives) will be about the same size as the A340-300 but will just weigh 220t iso 270t but carrying the same number of pax.
50t less!!! there´s no need to explain what the means for fuel consumption and landing fees! this baby is going to beat Airbus' competition models hands down when it comes to seat mile costs!!!

i think no big airline can really afford not to consider this aircraft. and i´m pretty sure that LH, not shopping at Boeing for quite some time, will definitely give this bird a close look, and most Star partners as well.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:11 pm

SkyTeam is a more likely candidate.
 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:55 am

RG also operates the M11 and the 777 doesn't seem like it'll stay long.


Guess that's why they're getting more of them...  Laugh out loud
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:19 am

AA787 -

Just a quick point, you forgot that Asiana ( OZ ) also operates the 777 in it's widebody fleet.  Smile
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:59 am

Looking at the financial situation of LH I don't think they'll be looking at the 7e7 in the near future, by which time Airbus will have an A300/310 replacement.

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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:16 am

I hate to disappoint the LH/Boeing hopefuls out there but as I've said many times, LH will not order new Boeing aircraft for pax travel in our lifetimes. Even if the thing had side sticks and ran on Kool-Aid, they'd invent some new excuse like "it doesn't have the same window shape". LH buys Airbus no matter what. Period. Full Stop.

 
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RE: Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:23 am

according to Boeing, the stretched derivative (the third one out of the currently considered derivatives) will be about the same size as the A340-300 but will just weigh 220t iso 270t but carrying the same number of pax.


Then it will be the end of the 777-200ER as well.

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