amirs
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Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:30 pm

I was wondering why a carrier decides to operate both the 777's and 340's. It couldn't be too economically sound.
Partial List :
AirFrance - They owe it to their homeland?
China Southern - ?
Emirates - ?
Cathay ?
Egyptair - they are phasing the 777's out.
singapore - ?
 
A388
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:55 pm

Hi Amirs,

As this question has been asked several times in the forum, I never reacted to that question, so here's my opinion. Like many members here already said, it has to do with different markets requiring different aircraft capacities. As the A343 and 777 come very close to each other in terms of range/capacity they do serve different purposes. While CX uses their A343's on Asian routes, they are also used on international flights such as Amsterdam and Canadian destinations, while the 777's of CX are only used on Asian/Australian routes. As for Singapore Airlines, they have sold all their A343 aircraft and all these aircraft have been placed with other airlines AFAIK. Their A345 fleet is only used on their new ultra-long range destinations which cannot be flown by the current 777's, until the 777LR will be available. As for Air France and China Southern concerned, I think politics play part in this. France being the main "shareholder" within EADS and China (CAAC) which orders its aircraft in a single order and later divides them over all the Chinese airlines. As for Emirates I don't know the reason exactly, but I can imagine politics also play a role there, but I'm not sure, so don't flame me if I'm wrong.

This is only my opinion, any additional comments are welcomed.

Regards A388
 
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:11 am

Air France-I think you have it right.
China Southern-The main 3 Chinese airlines have one of everything...there is no such thing as fleet planning in China yet
Emirates-The A340-300s are a stopgap measure until they can get more of what they really want, which are either more 777s, A330-200s, or A340-5/600s
Cathay-Their 777s are all non ER; they operate on Asian routes while the 340s operate to North America, Australia/NZ, and Europe, and fill in some Asian routes
Singapore-Their A340s are long gone; some of those were eventually placed with EK
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:15 am

Kuwait Airways also has both types.

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amirs
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:04 am

Thanks, that's pretty much what i thought, but I still have a problem with CX. What is the point of having both when having a few versions of a particular model (be it 777 non-ER's and ER's -300, -200 or 340 -200 -300 -500 or -600) could make running cost much cheaper. Same crew, engineers etc. ...
 
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:11 am

twins more economical but quads do better on oceanic routes where twins are restricted to 180 minute ETOPS e.g. air france does the 777s to north america like IAD and the 340s to caribbean like SXM, also to faraway islands like tahiti
 
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RE: Why Airlines Have Both A340 And 777?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:50 am

Austrian also has both types if you count Lauda 777s (which you should cos they will be repainted in the new livery)
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