FlagshipAZ
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Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:06 am

Hi folks.....
Being a resident of IFP (Bullhead,AZ/Laughlin,NV) I've heard a rumor floating around town these past few days that WN is taking a semi-serious look at IFP for service in the future. Sun Country is already here, and is becoming a favorite among the locals and out-of-towners visiting the area/casinos. Allegiant is here as well, but not as visible as Sun Country. So, IF the rumor is true that WN was here looking around.....does anyone think WN can make a go at it here at IFP, being only 90 miles south of LAS & 200 miles northwest of PHX? All opinions & replies welcomed. Regards.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:09 am

Seems too close to LAS. But then again, if there's one thing we should know about WN, it's that they have an ever-present ability to surprise.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:22 am

A couple of things I forgot to mention in the topic starter. IFP recently received approval for grants/funds to extend the current, and single runway, from 7500' to 9000'. Also the terminal is being reviewed for expansion & renovation. I thought that IF Southwest knew these plans were taking place, they MIGHT have been here having a looksee. Regards.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:29 am

Anything is possible, as whoever thought PHL would be part of the route map...
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:41 am

Sure they maybe looking at IFP... but there are probably a few dozen cities infront of Laughlin/Bullhead City that are more probable for Southwest to serve.

Combined populations of both cities can't be much more than 100,000... plus the only thing going there is the handful of casinos. Doesn't seem to be a viable market for a major to enter.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:22 am

maybe they are looking at ifp for charter operations, i fly into ifp from prc weekly, and love seeing the allegiant and sun country jets there, but southwest i bet would offer charter service to some of their other destinations. they have a huge charter base in las, so maybe it's time to move to ifp and expand there, although, i don't see sw liking the terminal too much in ifp
 
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:42 am

SWA looks at IFP every day, usually as we're cruising down J74 and other routes inbound to SoCal...  Big grin

Seriously though, I don't see IFP on any "short list" of future destinations...
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:39 pm

FlagshipAZ,

We should have gotten together for a beer this winter, if you are interested let me know, I am here for one more week. I leave this Sunday to drive to the Grand Canyon then to Denver and then home.

As for WN coming to Laughlin, well I have to say the pax terminal would either have to be demolished and redone or expanded big time, it is so SMALL. SCY is not going to like them coming either because they will cut into their profits big time. I would be all for WN coming to Laughlin, would make my life a lot easier, I could fly from ISP-IFP which is a lot easier then going to LAS. WN could have non-stops from IFP-LAX which I would use at least twice a winter to catch some of Shaq daddy's massive dunks. Maybe non-stops to phoenix to visit my buddy. This could be great!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:54 pm

I think that IFP would be a great city for WN. WN is a growing airline so they may do something good with that city. SY does not do that much in IFP. They have on flight a day from IFP to MSP. There is no other airlines there and also is no flights from LAX and other cities to IFP.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:59 pm

When pigs fly.

No chance of enough frequency to justify opening a station.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:20 pm

Kevin752,

Sun Country has a busier schedule than you think, they don't fly into IFP every day but have many flights from MSP, Denver, the Portland area and Texas. Not to mention every flight in and out of IFP is always full. They would take a hit from WN if they came to IFP especially in the Texas market. I think Allegiant has made a mistake in this area, they have no commercial flights and only fly private charter into IFP. Laughlin has only continued to grow and I think IFP needs to expand to keep up.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:35 pm

I just don't see IFP having enough of a market to support WN's entry requirements. Heck, there's not even scheduled regional service of note. I can't see even 5 daily destinations that would support 737's -- much less than the 10 WN normally looks for a minimum.

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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:40 pm

I have to agree with Sllevin, 5 would be stretching it, if WN wants to come to Laughlin they will have to start a lot smaller. Who knows, I still think Allegiant could benefit here with some daily routes with their MD-80s. Only time will tell.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:41 pm


Not 10 destinations, 10 daily flights. For example, you could have 3 flights to one destination, 4 to another , and 3 to yet another.

Just about every place wants WN and so rumors get started easily. I doubt that airport is on the short list.





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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:42 am

As a quick comparison, Gulfport/Biloxi has quite a number of top-notch casinos, and is located 77 air miles from MSY (a large WN destination), and GPT has no WN service.

IFP is located 72 air miles from LAS (a very large WN destination/hub), so I fail to see the need for WN to drop scheduled a/c into IFP when such a large operation exists so close by.

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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:47 am

Tom in NO I believe has hit the nail on the head, so to say.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:56 am

Look for WN to grow more east of the Mississippi. My best guesses are CLT or GSP. RSW (when the new midfield terminal opens). Does anyone know much about MCN - Macon, Georgia? (runway length, terminal facilities, etc.), it's only 30-35 miles outside ATL. If the airport could support WN, I'd add them to my list...
 
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:12 am

Not 10 destinations, 10 daily flights.

Understood -- but I was trying to find the easiest requirement (multiple destinations means more disperse O&D) and still showing IFP doesn't make it.

Truth is that HII would make more sense -- even though it doesn't have the casinos, it's got a larger snowbird population, gets more tourists, and can more easily pull from the Kingman area as well. And HII manages to support 1(2?)x B1900 service already.

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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:59 am

Southwest had their chance to serve IFP back in the mid-90s when they bought Morris Air. Morris Air had a very limited service from IFP, serving SJC, OAK, and SLC. The flights usually arrived early evening and left around 10 pm to arrive in their respective cities around midnight. Three flights a day to three cities does not seem to fit the Southwest plan, even if they have been known to surprise.

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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:02 am

So true, I do believe IFP needs a lot more service. WN may not fit, but I wish SCY would add some flights to LAX and PHX. I mean if Allegiant started a shuttle to LAS from IFP say maybe two flights a week they would do good with it. I would use it a lot. As for WN their business plan goes against IFP which is huge turnover and a lot of flights. I kind of like SCY a lot, I think their service is great, they have new 738s and they are pretty reasonable with fares. I think IFP is their baby and they should expand it.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:02 am

Does anyone know much about MCN - Macon, Georgia? (runway length, terminal facilities, etc.), it's only 30-35 miles outside ATL

Macon is actually around 80 miles from Atlanta. MCN could handle a 737 no problem, as HP sends their Airbuses down to MCN from ATL for MX work by TIMCO. And MCN even sees widebodies IIRC. If any city in Georgia was to be the first to see WN service, I'd put money on either Savannah (SAV) or Augusta (AGS) before Macon.
 
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:39 am

Thanks for the info srbmod. My stupid Skyguide lists MCN-ATL as 34 miles so I thought it would be a great way for WN to grab some of the ATL market without going to Hartsfield...
 
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:21 pm

How many airlines have failed trying to serve Bullhead City/Laughlin while flying 19 seat turboprops? I can think of 4 or 5. Allegiant and Sun Country and the odd others, are charters and subsidized by the casinos.

Southwest will serve Bullhead on the same day I win the lottery. And I don't buy lottery tickets.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:53 pm

Southwest will serve Bullhead the same day Piedmont is resurrected. And no one is missing Piedmont.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:26 pm

But, the Piedmont name flies the skies today, just not the same though.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

If Bullhead City could produce 2000 daily O&D passengers, you might see WN there. And I do not mean the junket passengers.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:33 pm

WN is not coming to IFP anytime soon. I think IFP's first concern should be the terminal. To be honest it needs to be destroyed and a new one built. This may sound harsh but if you look at the way Laughlin is growing and have ever walked into the existing terminal you will understand it is not sufficient to serve the town the way it's growing. The Home Depot has been built, IN and OUT burger will be done next week. It's time to bring the airport up to speed. The property is there, lets get a nice big terminal with two jetways and two baggage carousels. Then you will have some carriers showing some interest, SCY can add more flights, Allegiant can start scheduled flights and not just have charters.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:16 pm

Yes I agree...the existing terminal needs replacing. Seems as the rental car companies & the cafe is taking up valuable space...not that I'm knocking them...they are needed as well, but in a place 'off to the side'. What made me annoyed tho, was where they put the Home Depot. I thought that area was prime for future airfield development. Instead they (the City) zoned it for outside commercial use. IMO only, the combined population of Laughlin, Bullhead, Kingman, Needles, even Havasu could provide 2000 O&D passengers a day, altho I do also admit that advertising is the main ingredient the airport needs heavily to say "Hey the airport is here...check us out". And if I can say this, with a rational & logical thought...Frontier probably has a better chance here than Southwest. All in all, this has been an interesting topic for a local rumor.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Best regards to all.
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RE: Is Southwest Looking At IFP?

Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:19 am

FlagshipAZ,

I agree that is a weird spot for The Home Depot and now with Carl's Jr and that taco place in the front as well. I think Home Depot would have been better served further down 95. I find the parking lot of Home Depot very small and cramped. As for IFP's terminal it is totally outdated and should be leveled and a bigger one should be built. Complete with rental car companies, restaurant(s) and other modern amenities like a jetway. I mean there is no reason why IFP can't be as big as ISP and have the same features. Not to mention just have some ROOM, I mean before a flight when the terminal is full of pax it's crazy and we are only talking about 130 people!  Wow!
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