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Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:58 am

It always seems as if CO is always the adventurous one when it comes to service across the Atlantic. They are the only US airline to serve BHX, EDI, LIS, GVA, TLV, and now OSL. They are also the only US airline to use 752s across the Atlantic (FI doesn't count - it's kind of a partial crossing), and AA is taking CO's lead by introducing BOS-England (I don't remember which city) with 752s.

Why is it that CO is always the first one to serve European cities before anyone else will? AA and DL have a sizable presence at JFK; it would seem to make sense that they could serve Europe from there.

[Edited 2004-02-24 22:05:30]
 
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:08 am

I've noticed that. It was the same about 10 years or more ago when they were expanding into Latin America. Interesting point. With the new acft available for the longer runs and smaller loads they are doing it again but it is just what the manufacturers say those ships are for.
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:10 am

As for Latin America, they did do a lot of expansion, but I believe that AA flies everywhere that CO does and more. As for quality of service, etc., that's another story. However, in Europe, there are many cities that are exclusive to CO - and those are usually the ones that rake in the $$$.
 
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:25 am

EWR is CO's major USA hub for int'l service and for much of it's domestic US service as well. By serving cities not well served non-stop by AA, DL, avoid direct competition. LIS service popular as NYC area including near EWR has a large Portugese population, same with TLV as large Jewish population in New Jersey. CO also is the US airline offering service to cities/countries who's national airline also have non-stop service into EWR, and where for political balance for 1 national carrier there is 1 USA carrier allowed to operate that route each day. Some foreign airlines only operate into EWR instead of JFK in NY metro area. You also have many companies in the Northern and Central New Jersey market who are headquartered in those European cities.
 
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:29 am

That is a good observation. I think it's a combination of several factors: (a) a large fleet of ETOPS-certified and internationally-configured 757s, (b) a hub at EWR with access to not only NY's huge O&D market, but also lots of feed--much more than AA and DL have in the NY area--to support routes for which O&D might be insufficient, (c) a spacious new international terminal at EWR, and (d) corporate leadership that has made international expansion a priority and is not afraid of trying innovative new routes. I think it's great, and hope to see more new international cities in the future.
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:36 am

Another big factor is the lack of LCC competition on international routes. Many airline analysts believe that expanded international networking is the key to survival for the major network carriers. If this is true, CO seems to be heeding such advice.
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:37 am

a spacious new international terminal at EWR

Wouldn't that be more of a result of their successful international service than a reason behind the success of that service? Sort of a chicken/egg argument, y'know?  Big grin
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:06 am

I'd say it's both--definitely a chicken/egg situation, but the fact is, without adequate gate space at EWR, CO would not be able to experiment with new routes like OSL.
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:14 am

CO's Global Gateway project launched in 1999 allowed them to expand Terminal C greatly to facilitate future International Growth, the new 19 gate C-3 concourse has it's own Customs and Immgration hall which facilitates smother connections from International-Domestic flights.

All of CO's International Arrivals now arrive at Terminal C, there's room for more growth.

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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:29 am

CO is not a pioneer in serving GVA.

Until the the 90's, DL, PA, TW, UA and AA all flew to GVA.
 
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RE: Why Is CO The Transatlantic Guinea Pig?

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:42 am

Regarding Geneva one musn't forget the eternal competition of Swissair and now Swiss on the GVA-NYC route.

However both carriers seem to be doing pretty well, both always leaving virtually full.

Tim