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Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:08 am

"An America West Express flight en route from Colorado Springs to Las Vegas had to be diverted to Phoenix on Friday night after an unexpected shatter....."

http://www.nbc10.com/travelgetaways/2871001/detail.html



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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:13 am

That is the most sensationalistic, bullsh!t media piece I've seen in a long time. That title would lead a reader to believe that the flight attendants were strapping oxygen masks to each passenger's head at gun point. That's worse than the New York Post! Title should be "Plane diverts after windshield sustains damage".
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:22 am

Maverick,

You are so right, the media in this country is out of control with all of this crap, I swear they want to scare the hell out of as many people as they can. This was a routine diversion after a minor incident. Yet they report the story as though the plane was pummelling to the earth. For shame!
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:23 am

I just emailed the staff of that media outlet and gave them an e-bitchslap.
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corey07850
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:25 am

Maverick:

Since the article doesn't give that much information on exactly what happened I can't really speculate... But If there was a decompression at 33,000 feet I would certainly be putting my oxygen mask on, and if I didn't know better I would hope that a flight attendant would be telling me or putting it on for me! If the windshield caved in the time of useful consciousness at that altitude is just a few minutes...

How is that sensationalistic and bullshit???
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:27 am

And once again the media shows it true self. A bunch of buttholes with minor education.
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:28 am

You go Maverick! I hope it was a backhand! Big grin
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:39 am

Yeah, that how the media views airlines.

A true story, about me.

I interned at a major local NBC station during university years, as I was studying mass communications, and thought tv news was going to be my career. I worked the assignment desk, and one of the assignment desk editors was making a off hand comment about how he couldn't wait for a plane crash at the airport, because he knew exactly where to put the news vans, set the reports up, and where to have the helicopter.
From that point, I knew this was not the kind of environment I wanted to be in. I would never wish for a plane crash, ever. Let alone to better my career.
So from that day, for better or worse, I've worked in the travel industry.

[Edited 2004-02-24 23:52:35]
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:59 am

It wasn't that sensationalistic, guys, yeesh.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:25 pm

Though an air disaster is a news event and I watch them closely it is sad the lengths that media goes to in the name of bringing you the story before it's competition. Most of the time losing sight of the human element as Jmy007 has pointed out. The media in this country is a disgrace sometimes.
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:24 pm

As the line in the song goes..."she can tell you 'bout the plane crash, with a gleam in her eye..."
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:05 pm

Tguman wrote: "And once again the media shows it true self. A bunch of buttholes with minor education."

You think F/A's like being considered a "bunch of rude b**ches who can't get a better job?" No. They have a damned hard job and do it well. The same goes for the reporters and producers who bust tail to try to tell you about things that matter. Planes get diverted all the time, but windows on airplanes don't shatter everyday. It's not everyday that the oxygen mask goes from the prop in the safety demo to actually popping out at FL330 in an emergency. Like it or not, that is the "news" here. Read the story. It's about as bare-bones factual as you can get. Where is the sensationalism???

Jmy007: While it's one thing to "hope for a plane crash," it's another to have a game plan for a major breaking news event like that one. That's not unusual at all, and frankly it's foolish to NOT have one and then unnecessarily scramble when the unthinkable happens.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:39 am

It's a real junk article! They even didn't care about telling what aircraft it is, just "stupid" quotes from (of course they were, who not!) scared pax...this is not journalism, this is embarassing!
And what do they mean by "unexpected shatter"...do they have information about expected shatters?
It was the windshield in the cockpit? Sure it wasnt one in the cabin?

Man, i hate this "journalism"...makes people panic and start talks about unsafe flying...maybe it even was a terrorist-bird trying to crack the shield?
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:22 am

The other day during an ice storm in Kansas city, one of our planes slid off the active. Needless to say we had to off load the paxs on bus them back to the terminal and start the rebooking process. The media was dieing to get some info. So much so that they called the ticket counter and said things like, "Hey my wife was on that jet that slid off the runway. Could you tell me more about it?" In typical Delta, "Call corporate security sir, we are not at liberty to speak about anything" fashion, one of our agents said, "Yessir, and your wife's name was?" a very definite click and dead silence.
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:33 am

Mizzou65201,

I agree with you that a news room need a game plan when it comes to covering a major crisis, such as a plane crash. But, for me, working in that environment, people become desensitise to such events. What put me off from the whole thing was the assignment editors grin, and excitement that he had in talking about such an event.
Very off putting.
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:54 am

Everyone knows it is'nt oxygen in the mask it's laughing gas !!!! so you get high and go weeeeeee all the way to the bottom !!!!
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:18 am

So that's what this kid was talking about during class. I was kinda listening into the conversation, but I didnt really buy it.
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:04 pm

LOL, they weren't forced to use the oxygen masks. I think a more likely scenario was they had to choose between two possibilities and took the one that involved the oxygen masks  Big grin.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:52 pm

I'll have to say that when I first saw this article I was also very surprised with the title. I figured I would just relay as it was printed though. They definitely shouldn't have used the word "forced" though. I mean, in that situation you really don't have a choice, but from the title they make it seem like the F/A's were going around super glueing them to the passengers' faces.

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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:04 pm

um..... so it was COS-LAS but diverted to PHX.... but although COS-LAS is longer than COS-PHX... i swear PHX is farther south so i dont see how at any point of the flight it would have been closer to Phoenix than Las Vegas, except the first half probably, which would make more sense to fly back to COS... or did i miss something...


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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:45 am

Jumpseat: Yea, that's a pretty common problem with covering the airlines. The local folks don't talk and refer us to corporate, which either doesn't want to talk...OR...if they do...they have little to no idea of what is actually going on. That means the only thing we have to run with is the (sometimes inaccurate) version of events as relayed to us by passengers, etc.

TWA902fly: Mesa operates COS-LAS for HP. Its headquarters (and, I assume, MX ops) are in PHX.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:01 am

The article isn't exactly well-written, particularly in terms of grammar and word choice. But, I don't see that is sensationalist either. The word "force" can also have the meaning of "required" or "needed to". A better word would actually be "compelled" - too high of a grade level vocabulary for use in a newspaper though.

Notice that the pilot actually had to "force" the plane to descent. I thought gravity would do that without compulsion.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:36 am

How sad is it that these two guys have to have thier pic taken along with America West inflight magazine, mid drama. what is that all about I ask you???
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:10 am

The media can be much more sensational than that!!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1292087/javas

Only the media can take standard operating procedures (like an emergency descent after a depressurization) and turn it into a catastrophe from which the passengers are lucky to survive. Combine that with quotes from passengers who think that oxygen mask deployment means they're going to die and you get one sensational piece off BS!!

I used to work for an airline and was involved in the investigation of certain incidents. In a few instances, I remember seeing news reports on what I was working on...funny to see how the media will really say anything to make an impression on readers!!
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:16 am

To the media bashers, trust me, you guys have no idea what working as a journalists is really about. I am a television news producer and I would say 90% of you wouldn't be able to deal with the pressure and competition of my job for one day let alone day in day out 24/7/365 like I, along with my fellow journalists, do.
Yes, pressure is high, competition is tight and sometimes I do things I'm not the most proud of to get the story, but despite what you guys say, we have standards. Here is the one thing I want to emphasis though about being a journalist that you guys don't seem to understand....we have to be experts at everything. One day I'm covering a plane crash, next day I'm covering environmental laws....what I cover runs the gammet of everything. What you do is you learn what everyone in your newsroom is good at and you gear who does what to those people as much as possible. Usually with any city budget stories I have one particular reporter I try to give it too, I have two reporters who are really good with environmental issues....my specialty is trains, planes, trucks and anything else that moves. We've had three train accidents in our coverage area in the last week so guess who has been working major overtime because I have the most knowledge in the area.
As far as calling and claiming "my wife was on that flight". Yeah, some journalists will lie like that...I won't...but some will. It depends on how much of a conscience you have. I don't because I'm a big believer in karma and if I do that it will come back to haunt me....perfect example...we kicked our competitions rear on a story about the mayor a few weeks ago....no more than 30 seconds after the story was over my phone rings "Hi, this is so and so from the mayor's office....what was that story you had about us"....my response "Mayor's office eh, I'm looking at caller ID...since when did the mayor have the same phone number as Channel 7....guess the mayor will just have to watch the story when we rerun it at 10". That's how competitive our jobs are....I'm not justifying it....I'm just saying don't judge all of us over a few overly aggressive bad apples. Plus, not to sound high and mighty, but you may say you hate it when we do that kind of thing, but millions and millions of dollars of research proves the exact opposite....viewers love it when we do that kind of thing....you just say you don't like it because you don't want to admit it how far the spirit of competition is embedded in American culture, that's why reality shows are so hot...deep down inside people love to see other people get embarrassed and compete at all cost.


Mizzou65201: sounds like your j-major yourself....what are the chances we crossed paths as I am less than 14 months out of the KOMU experience my self? What sequence are you....I bet we know a lot of the same people if your a broadcaster.
 
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RE: Passengers Forced To Use Oxygen Masks

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:33 am

LV, as a "tv producer", I thought you would have been privy to the process of editing any kind of work before presenting it to the general public. After reading your post, I've got to wonder...
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