RiverVisualNYC
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World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:13 am

This company, the Aviation Technology Group in Denver, is apparently developing what must be the world's smallest multiengine bizjet, with 2 seats, called the Javelin. Does anyone here have any personal knowledge of this company or the aircraft, which as yet is apparently a paper airplane? I know alot of people are trying to build a small, inexpensive bizjet, and would be curious to know how this co's efforts stack up...

http://www.avtechgroup.com/index.htm
 
lh477
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:20 am

Honda has a created a proto with 2 jet engines for 4+2 or 5+1.
Preety cool. Love Honda, would love for them to enter the aviation industry.
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:34 am

If Im not mistaken, that Javelin has flown and has several orders to it. It looks very similar to an F-18 with 2 seats, a nice size area for bags and I believe it is supposed to cruise somewhere in the area of the CitX. Looks like a wonderful airplane, and I think it will do very well.

As for the Honda jet. I think its the best looking small jet out there, I hope they decide to put it into production.

I would not say the new Javelin is the smallest jet, the former military trainer the Paris Jet is out there and it used for private transportation. It is a 2 person side by side jet, loud as hell!
 
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:35 am

The smallest biz jet I know of....

Chicester-Miles Leopard (MTOW 4000lbs)
 
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:50 am

Aprox. prices for one of those ? I'm still dreaming  Innocent
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:14 am

How does the Eclipse jet figure into this idea of small bizjets. Last I heard they still were having problems with the engines? I love the design of the engine mounts on the new honda jet. VERY NICE!!!!

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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:20 am

I've seen several examples of the Aero L-39 Albatros used for private transportation (not exactly the definition of luxury...but it'll get you there..uhh...rather quickly)

I'll put that on my "If I win the lottery..." list  Big grin
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:24 am

What's his name, the guy that founded Atlas Air got himself killed in an L-39
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:28 am

Pfft. Jets are overrated.  Laugh out loud I'll save money and get myself a Lancair IV-P Propjet. Zoom!!  Big thumbs up

http://www.lancair-kits.com/Lancair_PropJet.html
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planemaker
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:44 am

Honda and GE just signed a 50/50 JV to certify and market the Honda turbofan, no mention if Honda is going to build a jet. Related, is another JV with Continental to certify and build a piston aircraft engine. They had a prototype of it at Oshkosh.

Eclipse does not now have problems with their choce of jets - they did but not now. They chose the PWC 600 series, the same series that are going to power the Cessna Mustang.

There are several "personal" jets that are pipe dreams - the Javellin and Leopard fall into this category because they do not have the funds to be certified. There is another company in Florida that has a 4 place "kit" jet that uses re-conditioned GE turbojets that Bob Hoover has promoted. They too hope to obtain funds to certify their "little" poject with Willlliams turbofans.

The microjet field is littered with several multi-million attempts to get to market - Vantage, Century, Phoenix, BD-10, etc, etc. The cost of certification is a real project breaker, in the first instance!

The most realistic small jet project is the D-Jet from Diamond. It will be a single Willliams turbofan powered 5 seater that is due to fly this year.
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RiverVisualNYC
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:16 pm

I think Planemaker's got it right, some of these people have more ideas than money, but I wonder, in that case why do they bother? It seems like underfunded entrepreneurs are starting small jet cos. the way they started internet companies in the mid '90s, and obviously very few if any will succeed longterm having to compete with the likes of Textron (Cessna) etc....Does anyone have any insight into the mentality behind all this?
 
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:54 am

RiverVisualNYC:

I think that a big part of the mentality that drives the promoters/designers of these light jet projects is that they LOVE aviation. Another part is that they believe that they have designed a "better mousetrap" or that they are tapping into a market niche that hasn't been addressed - be it size, price, performance, etc. And, finally, jets are sexy.
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RiverVisualNYC
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:56 am

Can't argue with that last point, makes for great cocktail party conversation if nothing else! Do you think any of these guys think they can sell their design to a larger company that has the financial resources to build it? Has that happened before?
 
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:55 am


Riv;

The Javelin looks a little too "military" for me but I wouldn't turn it down if it was part of my Price is Right Showcase Smile

L-188;

I think we're talking about Michael Chowdry who had a CL600, then a CL604 and finally a BBJ (N737MC) that I saw at PDK one year for the NBAA.

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planemaker
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:35 am

RiverVisualNYC:

I don't think that any of these guys started out with the idea of selling their ideas to a larger company. However, when they did run out of money, a few did get bought out. More recently, Mooney almost bought Century jet, and Vantage has already burned through the cash of the second owner.

BTW, the Adams 700 (very well funded) will be the first "micro jet" on the market - first delivery is supposedly before the end of this year. They flew a prototype to Oshkosh last summer and sort of shocked the industry.
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flygmolinafmly
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:40 am

Wasn't there something about the smallest jet in a James Bond movie? Can some recall what I'm trying to think about?

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planemaker
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RE: World's Smallest Bizjet!?

Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:52 am

Yes, that was the BD-5Jet. It is a homebuilt design by Jim Bede that was originally powered by a 25 HP engine.
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