Airmech56
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Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:10 am

Anyone experience any ridiculous International taxes to visit a country as a non-rev? Last month I flew to SDQ and I was charged $10 US dollars upon entering the country for a tourist card and $65 Us dollars for departure tax. Any other countries charge anything close to that? Because thats the highest I've heard so far.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:13 am

Try Heathrow. GBP 55 (almost USD 100) all told.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:21 am

It isnt for Non rev passengers, it is for all passengers, it is just that it is included in your ticket price when you buy a ticket, but as you do not buy a ticket when you non rev, you just pay the tax. The airlines do not see this money at all, it goes straight to the government.

This is why Bethune and others were complaining. They showed that when they charge $200 for a ticket, the government is taking almost half of it right off the top huge amount of the top.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:26 am

I would have to agree, LHR is the worst I've experienced so far! The Caribbean, the second worst!
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Airmech56
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:37 am

Yeah i knew it was included in the price of a full fare ticket but it's funny because the tax that we've been paying SDQ for example has been going up but the prices for full fare tickets have pretty much stayed the same. I dunno call me cheap but I feel cheated.
 
Airmech56
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:40 am

So is the 55GPB only from LHR or do they charge the same tariff from all of the U.K.'s airports?
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:44 am

The UK Departure Tax is based on whether your flight is short-haul (within Europe) or long-haul and whether you are travelling in Economy or a Premium Economy. A person travelling in Biz long-haul will pay the most. I believe the tax is consistent across all UK airports.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:45 am

I will be going to MXP shortly and the departure tax is around $17 or 15 euro i believe and that is all of the taxes and fees, so for some cases it is not too bad.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:48 am

Well if you don't pay for the ticket I'm not really sure you should complain about paying the taxes. The rest of us still have to pay a hell of a lot more - airfare and taxes.....

Why should there be different rules just because you are flying non-rev??? From the treads I read in this forum, you guys always get pi@@ed off when you don't get into the premium cabin. Get a grip and enjoy this privilege instead....
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:52 am

I believe the tax is consistent across all UK airports.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:53 am

I'm with Thaigold. Come on! Give me a break!

Non-revving is a privilege. Everyone else has to pay for (1) the fare price, and (2) the taxes involved.

Great post, Thaigold. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:55 am

Thaigold,

Don't get me wrong i thank my luck stars for not having to pay full fare all of the time. But I just find it strange that the full fare for ewr-sdq is usually around $500.00 and it's been about that price for at least 5 years. So if the full fare hasn't changed why has the tax changed. It just doesn't sound right, I mean they are even charging us if we fly jumpseat. And technically if you fly jumpseat your counted as part of the crew. I don't mean to complain but it just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:58 am

Maybe a way to off set the taxes for non revenue tickets is to charge the paying pax an extra dollar or two, which could then go into a dedicated fund just to pay the taxes for non revenue ticket holders. Each airline could have and maintain there own funds. It is the least we can do as paying passengers! Come on it is the least we can do, we already help them out by checking ourselves in via the web, printing our own boarding passes via the web, or using the self serve kiosiks.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:00 am

No worries Airmech56. I just get rather annoyed if people don't see the non-rev flights as being a GREAT advantage compared to "the rest of us"...... I'm sure that if I could I would also love to fly for nothing + taxes  Big grin
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:06 am

Departure "taxes" are more analogous to "fees." Taxes are commonly based on a percentage of the ticket price, while fees are a fixed amount, designed to cover specific things such as airport security, maintenance, etc. That's why the departure "taxes" change even when fares stay the same.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:15 am

I'm looking right now at my nonrev ticket to YUL (GVA-X/ZRH-YUL and back) : total taxes : CHF73.-- (roughly USD50.--) the breakdown is :
Swiss tax CHF23
Swiss transit tax CHF12
Canadian tax CHF24
Canadian security CHF14

And when I went to MIA last year, the total taxes where around CHF145.-- (around USD100)....
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:16 am

Well for people flying to the US the taxes and fees are also outrageous. I just paid almost 120 Euros just in taxes on a 490 Euro roundtrip. Funnily my US domestic flight cost me 14 Dollars in taxes. And that includes eight flights...
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:19 am

SJO was 65 USD per person...
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:04 am

Leaving Mexico back to the US is $35 USD per head!

For a family of 4, that's $140...nice chunk of change that you have to factor into your vacation costs. Plus, at the tail end of your vacation, when you've spent the money, bought some stuff to take home, and want to hit the duty free before coming home, it can be pretty onerous.

I'm with Thaigold though- on balance, if that's the worst thing I can bitch about as a non-rev, how bad can that be? Big grin
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:41 am

I hate where you have to pay in CASH or CC a substantual fee not included with your fare as a departure tax and not warned about it by the carrier or the airport when you enter the country. When I left the British Virgin Islands in December, I had to pay a US$20 (yes, US$ are the currency in the BVI, not Pounds) in cash at check-in, and while I had that money, there are no ATM's at the airport which can be a problem with those who forgot to bring the cash with them.
I also hate when the ads for off season sale airfares from NYC area to UK have fares of $99 o/w-$198 r/t then in fine print another $100+ in taxes and fees. Why can't airlines include all expected fees in the big print, i.e "Fares round trip NYC to London on _____Airline from about $329, including most taxes", like done on some websites such as Travelocity. I realize that fees can vary, and in the UK for example, the airports are ran by an independent authority that has to make it's nut, but some of these fees are extortion.

Another extortion racket is for car rentals in many places in the USA. Not only do you pay the local state sales taxes, in some places car rentals and other tourist services (hotels, resturants) may be the only place pay sales taxes, plus 'facility' fees, taxes to subsdise sports stadiums, anti-terror expenses (in NJ, $2.00/day for all car rentals) etc. In some cases, the price for a car rental can double (PHX), or the price for a hotel room be 25% more than the base room rate.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:46 am

Most airports in Scandinavia have very high taxes, but is there anything in Scandinavia without high taxes?  Big grin

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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:18 am

Airmech56:

I know exactly how you feel. I travel to SDQ a lot and I know that they have some of the highest departure taxes around. Up until recently it was just $20, then $34. Last time I was there it was $52. Damn, now it is $65! I'm glad I read this thread. Now I know to make sure I have some extra cash on me. Mexico City taxes are getting up there as well, I believe it's in the $40 range.
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:44 am

"Another extortion racket is for car rentals in many places in the USA. Not only do you pay the local state sales taxes, in some places car rentals and other tourist services (hotels, resturants) may be the only place pay sales taxes, plus 'facility' fees, taxes to subsdise sports stadiums, anti-terror expenses (in NJ, $2.00/day for all car rentals) etc. In some cases, the price for a car rental can double (PHX), or the price for a hotel room be 25% more than the base room rate"


We call the extra hotel tax thats on top of the sales tax a transient tax and I agree with it. I would rather see a tourist taxed for a new sports staduim then the locals. The best and easiest way for the city to raise taxes for something without pissing off the locals is to raise the transient tax. Tourists dont live here and cant vote so its okay to piss them off.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:28 pm

Amwest25:......until the tourists stop coming, and then you're royally screwed.
 
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RE: Ridiculously High Departure Taxes For Non-rev Pax.

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:36 pm

"Amwest25:......until the tourists stop coming, and then you're royally screwed."

They haven't yet, unlike some citys the tourists seem to still flock here. The taxes here are still less then most tourist citys in the US such as Florida and tourists keep on going there, same with New York etc. Taxes are apart of travel and if you want to travel you pay the taxes.