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TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:26 pm

I think this post might raise a few heads. I read in Airliners magazine that TWA flew Constellation Jetstreams from California to Europe nonstop in the late 50s. The westbound return was 20+ hours nonstop. They flew with reduced power to conserve fuel. Kind of puts our modern long haul flights to shame in terms of duration!
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:31 pm

Somehow TWA also was able to fly CAI-IDL nonstop with the Connie also. But then, you must consider the 24 hour Pan American flights with the 314, and those being California-Hawaii.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:00 pm

These non-stop flights of 20 hours or more were possible only with the L-1649 series Starliners. TWA called them the Jetstream. Only three airlines flew them originally. TWA, Lufthansa and Air France

The wings on these aircraft were an entirely new design from the L-1049 series, and had more than twice the fuel capacity. It was primarily the west-bound flights that were the longest, timewise, due to typically strong headwinds.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:06 pm

This may be a silly question but why is SQ making such a big deal about their 18 hr flight? I was under the impression that it was the longest PAX flight of all time....but now I read others have had even longer. Hmmmm

Can someone help clear this up?

Thanks alot!
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:12 pm

There's nothing to clear up. These flights by the L-1649 Starliners were fact. It appears that if SQ is indeed saying that their 18-hr flight are the longest of all time, then they obviously haven't done their homework.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:14 pm

LOL thanks RareBear  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:33 pm

If I'm not mistaken, the aircraft of this area were configured with much more luxurious interiors. Beds for all passengers were a part of it. Flying in those days was more oriented for the wealthier group of people.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:06 pm

The longest non stop flights by an airline was the Qantas "Double Sunrise" service from Perth Western Australia to Ceylon 1941 -1944. The flight time was around 32 hours!

It was operated by civilianised (ie stripped down) Considlated PBY-5 Catalina twin engined flying boats. They carried up to 5 passengers and 1 ton of mail.

It was officially an airline flight, not a military flight. It connected to BOAC services to the UK via east africa, west africa and Lisbon (I think).


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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:04 am

"You fools" is "inappropriate"? Ugh.

I doubt that the TW 1649s had "beds for all passengers", but I'll check.

I've always wondered whether they could've made the trip faster by flying at a higher power setting and stopping at Frobisher or Sondre Stromfjord. And we'd still like to know what percentage of the trips did make it nonstop (you recall the timetable noted that a fuel stop may be made).
 
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:22 am

The TWA L1649s were highly luxurious aircraft...I'm sure the seats were vastly superior to those you find on today's 777 and A330 aircraft working similiar flights...also the L1649 was much better looking!  Big thumbs up


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However, what detracted from the added comfort was the extreme noise and vibration. While on the Starliner it wasn't nearly as bad as on earlier propliners I still imagine (although this is speculation because obviously I was born nearly 40 years after the heydey of these flights) that it was substantially less smooth and quiet as a flight on a jetliner. I imagine that stepping off of these L1649s at the end of a flight one would feel extremely fatigued and exhausted.

However...not nearly as exhausted as someone stepping off of the QANTAS "Double Sunrise" flight. 32 hours in an unpressurized demilitarized flying boat!!!  Wow! Somewhat like a form of torture really...probably worse even than flying AOM ORY-LAX nonstop...  Laugh out loud

One other comment:

Your language is highly inappropriate in this forum. This is a rule violation.

I've seen much worse. Please remember to use the suggest deletion button if anything offends you. Though it's out of my league as far as I can tell it wasn't a rule violation anyway as it wasn't directed towards any user in particular...in the chat we would not take action if someone said that unless they did it repeatedly and in a manner that was disruptive and offensive to the other users.

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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:40 am

WGW2707:

A reading of the rules, especially 1a and 6, would lead me to respectfully disagree with you. I think the phraseology in question meets the intent of the last sentence in Rule 1a. I see nowhere in the rules that the words are required to be addressed to a partiicular individual.

The fact that you have seen worse in no way detracts from this instance.

By the way, the "Suggest deletion" function was utilized.

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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:12 pm

Gemuser, you are correct. Now imagine that connection. You just flew into Perth and face another 3 days enroute to London.

Of course, there were stops and hotels enroute. Maybe Singapore means the longest flight in terms of physical discomfort?
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:56 pm

There seems to be some form of misunderstanding here. The SIN-LAX route operated by SQ is the longest scheduled flight in the form of distance flown. The flights operated by TWA and their Connies might have spent a lot more time up in the air, but they certainly didn't cover that much ground.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:57 am

5NE00:
The original topic of this post dealt with the 20-hour plus flight duration of the L-1649 Constellation. We were not discussing miles flown.


The production of the L-1649 Starliners was only 44 aircraft. Sadly, only 4 remain today. One is in a museum in South Africa, another is in the Fantasy of Flight Museum in Polk City, FL, and the other two are at the airport in Auburn, Maine. Three of the four are owned by one individual, Maurice Roundy, who has the two Starliners in his front yard in Maine. He also owns the one in Florida. Here are photos of two of the four remaining aircraft:



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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:03 am

The SQ flight is a huge deal. It covers a huge amount of distance, not time elapsed.

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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:36 am

No argument that the miles flown by SQ on its SIN-LAX flights is astounding, but again, the topic of this thread was Flight Time, not miles.
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RE: TWA 20 Hour Nonstops

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:55 am

TWA bought the ultimate Constellation for that route, the Lockheed 1649A Starliner, or Jetstreams, as TWA called them. They had a range unsurpassed by the Douglas DC-7C, 6,000 miles! That is longer range than the 764ER, and the early 747 miles. Amazing how long they could fly, given their inferior speed to the jets.
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