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Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:50 am

Is there anything left of the old Denver airport?
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:57 am

There is nothing left except for the Control Tower and a parking garage being used by the Regional Transportation District (Denver's public transportation company).

The control tower was kept as a symbol to remind people of the airport.

The parking garage is used by RTD as a park-n-ride. Customers park their car there, then catch the SkyRide bus which takes them to Denver Airport or catch other buses that go to other parts of the city.

I believe one of the Continental Hangers was converted to a bowling alley.

Stapleton is being completely redevelopped.

Check here for more info:
http://www.stapletondenver.com

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:07 am

This picture shows the tower and garage. Also, don't forget United Flight Training Center which is directly behind the garage in this shot. It's crazy how much work has taken place down there. The road that leads up to the rounded buildings at the top of the picture with a roundabout in it is about where the main east-west runway used to be.
http://www.stapletondenver.com/dwnld/aerials/residential_aerial_jan_04.jpg

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:24 am

For the extreme airline buff geeks  Big grin, UAL's Denver reservation call center is shown in this picture. Between the Renaissance Hotel (triangular shaped 12-story building) and the fire station (3 garage doors). Under the big "N" in STAPLETON.

http://www.stapletondenver.com/dwnld/aerials/quebec_aerial_jan_04.jpg
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:35 am

Isn't some part of Stapleton supposed to be used for a Public Housing tract?
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:49 am

Where is the tower????

Can't find it in the picture....

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:24 am



I didn't know they torn down the AMR combs hangars. I use to play inline hockey in it. They had two hockey rinks in the larger hangar.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:30 am

Wow, that is a huge parking garage.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:44 am

This may have been widely discussed before, but why did they relocate DIA from the Stapleton site? The facilities were in decent condition as of last time I visited the airport before its demolition. Was it a need for expansion, relocation, etc? I've looked at several sites, and I know there is a book on the subject, yet it is still unclear to me
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:55 am

Stapleton was somewhat land-locked. DIA now has room for significant expansion of facilities if necessary (see the new addition for F9 at the A gates that will be coming).

Also, from what I understand, the airport was too small for what they expected traffic to be. But I could be wrong about that.
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:19 am

Another reason I heard for the replacement of Stapeton and to have it relocated was the problems with wind shear, a common problem with that airport due to it's close location to the mountains. Is this true?
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:23 am

Stapleton was really outdated. The main terminal was really bad and old. UA's concourse A&B were remodeled about five years before it closed. The ramp level on those two concourses were a real shit hole. Concourses C&D were about to fall down. Concourse E was the only bright spot for the airport. UA had gates in that concourse, but I never got to work down there.

The way the runways were laid out didn't let two planes land simultaeously on the north-south runways. There were plans to build another east/west runway on the Rocky mountain arsenal. It would take probably 30 minutes to taxi to the gate though.

Here is a picture of the two north/south runways. If you ever flown out of Stapleton on the farther North runway. You know it was a very very long taxi trip.


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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:19 am

Good topic. I did work at the old Stapleton. I never heard anything about relocating farther from the mountains due to windshear. It was mostly about space and room to grow. Sure there was space at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal cold war lethal weapons dump to the north. But it was across a freeway, so not real accessible and of course the Arsenal had its own "issues."

As far as the facilities, something needed to be done desperately. The place was so outdated it didn't even almost seem worth remodeling. Speaking of location, I don't have any exact data, but the area of the new Denver International airport had a reputation for tornadoes and bad hail since it is on the plains. However the last few years, the summers have not had much severe weather out there. Besides I am not sure the difference in distance from the mountains would make much of a difference.

Concourses C and D were Continental's were tired, pathetic old structures. What an embarrassment for them. But DEN was not their moneymaker, so they didn't care. Didn't have the resources to fix them either. D concourse was the old Frontier's and later was mostly dedicated to CO Express. UA's concourses, even though recently remodeled, were nothing to write home about either. The main terminal was very small and old. As someone said, concourse E was the newest concourse. It was a little better. I remember I thought it was pretty neat that it actually had plants adorning it. There was very little natural light anywhere. The cramped check-in part of the airport with the low ceiling reminded me more of a third world bus terminal without all the filth. It actually eminds me of what the ticket counter space at LAX is like today (where CO and DL operate especially, not the Tom Bradley terminal).

Someone commented that that is a big parking garage. I drive by that thing everyday. That picture is deceptive. It is a tired, small,cramped,dilapidated piece of garbage. But it is very, very heavily used since RTD has a big transit station there now.

It is my understanding that Stapleton is largest urban redevelopment in the United States today. But maybe that was before 9-11, or maybe it is just considering land area.

Yes, I remember reading that the old Stapleton did have more gates than DIA does today. I am almost certain of that. The old Stapleton had 5 concourses.

It is funny driving by the old Stapleton site. You see little reminders of the old airport. The UA center is right there, but it is surrounded by new homes, Sam's Club, WalMart, Home Depot, all right where the airport used to be.

Then across the street, there is still hotel after hotel, with thousands of rooms, just as if the old airport were still there!
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 8:33 am

Klwright69 --

I wondered about all of those Stapleton Airport hotels. I have visited the Denver area twice, and both times stayed at the airport Holiday Inn, which was located on, I believe, Quebec St. I remember hotel after hotel on both sides of the street. You are right...thousands of rooms. Are these still considered "airport" hotels for DIA??...I am not sure of the distance from these original airport hotels and Denver International. Have any new hotels been built closer to DIA?


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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:04 am

Could a plane land their if they had to make an emergency landing?
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:28 am


Were there bridges over I-70 that planes could taxi on? What was north of the highway?
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:51 am

I visited Denver in July 2001 and drove by the old Stapleton airport on I-70. I was surprised by the amount of open space on either side. The bridges over the interstate were not only gone, I could not see any trace of them. I do remember seeing the control tower and several hotels to the south of the highway.
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:17 am

Yet bridges existing over I-70 for taxiing. What a wonderful sight, driving on the highway, and you might see a 727 or even better a fat DC-10 trundling along right above you.

The core reason for relocating Stapleton was growth - there was no room for more. Unlike many cities in the U.S., Denver fortunately still had room for a greenfield airport within a reasonable driving distance of the population centers now and in the future. Many decisions were taken before the hub structures had fully formed. I believe that at one time Denver was fourth busiest airport in the world in terms of aircraft movements.

But, then, soon after the move Continenental dismantled their hub and a weak economy and UAL added to the woes. Fewer gates were (~80) were available than at Stapleton (~104?). There was a joke - "Why did they need to move Staptleton? Because it was too big!"

But moving airports are decisions for 50 or 100 years consideration. Happy, improved traffic levels have shown that the new facility is and will be necessary in the coming decades.

 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:12 am

It has been long debated on whether Denver really did need a new airport. Denver was cramped on space and the closeness of the runways prevented simultanius approaches in bad weather, something Denver sees a lot of. DIA spaced the runways farther apart with no problems there. (an interesting piece of information is that when DIA opened, it was originally planned to have 12 runways)

A really good site with lots of Stapleton pictures is http://milehifield.topcities.com/main.html

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:16 am

Yes 35L went right over I-70. The taxiway for 35R went over it as well. There was actually three runways on the northside of I-70. There was a 7,700 GA one also.




He is a good view of the terminal and concourses.




 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:24 am

was the last picture taken after the airport closed??

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:49 am

OHMIGOD I forgot about that! At the old Stapleton if you landed to the north, and had to taxi back to the airport, it was a HELL of a taxi. That is SO true. I mean the taxi time alone could caused missed connections!!

Yes, the runways went over the highway. DC10's 727's and so on took off and taxied over the highway all the time. It was nothing special to us here we were so used to it.

Yes, yes, yes, the runway situation was a BIG reason among for the new airport. It was figured that delays nationwide could be reduced and eliminated if simulatenous operations could take place during less than optimal weather conditions. The Denver politicos bragged that it would never close due to a storm calling it an "All weather airport." WHAT A JOKE! The airport has been closed twice. Once in 97, and once last year. There was plenty of embarrassment.

There are numerous hotels along Quebec that used to serve the old airport. Cimmarron Suites, Red Lion, Four Points, Doubletree, The Rennnaisance (the big aztec pyramid hotel), and many, many others. These hotels still cater to airport travelers for sure. Many of those hotels cater to people going to the UAL facility across the street. One sees many crew people crossing the street. I think those hotels also now do a lot of meeting and conference business. There ARE hotels near the new airport, and more being built all the time. But the hotels near the old airport I believe have still retained a following among travelers.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:00 pm

I wholeheartedly agree with those who recall the state of Stapleton prior to closing. Going to the terminal was like going back in time to the 50s or 60s, and the last time I was there C terminal was nearly deserted and D terminal was. In a way I miss it, but only as a campy novelty - the way some people miss disco, avocado colored fondue sets, and key parties  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

BTW - I seem to remember DL and AA having quite extensive operations in DEN back in the day. Does anyone know what a rough breakdown of concourse/gate assingments was in the early to mid eighties?

Even in good weather, Stapleton could get too busy for four active runways to handle. I remember many flights in the summertime being stuck on a part of the tarmac lovingly referred to as the "penalty box" waiting to get cleared to get in line for takeoff. Additionally, Stapleton is in the Denver neighborhood of Montbello - you could get in come pretty dicey situations if you took a wrong turn. A really good memory I have as a kid is going on field trips to the Museum of Natural History (now the Museum of Science) and seeing aircraft on final to 26R/L.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:21 pm

Back to the original post, there is absolutely nothing left of the old airport (except of course the old control tower to memorialize it).

Since I first posted to this thread, I drove near Stapleton today. It is only 10 minutes from my house. I drove down Smith Road. All the hangars and airport related buildings are demolished. CO's hanger is NOT a bowling alley. There is absolutely nothing where they stood. I take that back, Home Depot and a few other things might sit on some of the hangar land. But most of CO's hangars were further down Smith Road.

The new homes a Stapleton are beautiful showcase homes, nothing indicates a "Public Housing Tract."

I also drove down Montview, on the other side of the old airport. There is lots of open space being quickly readied for development. Funny, just off Montview there is an odd looking structure that appears to have been connected to the airport in some way. It is very old and long forgotten. The roof has a vaulting flower shape like Sydney Opera House. Of course this is a much, much smaller building! Maybe some Stapleton expert would now.

This thread brings back all the memories! The last day of Stapleton's operation my girlfriend and I went out to be there for the event. We walked around and everything was in complete tatters. We were there to see off the last flight. It was CO (a DC-10-30) flight 34 nonstop to LGW. It was quite an exciting event. The flight was packed. Hundreds of cheering and clapping people and the press were congregating around gate C-8 to see off the final flight into history of the old Stapleton. Of course, one of CO's most senior employees, Desmond Yorgin announced the departure of the flight (he has since passed on). Desmond's hire date was in the 1950's. Yes, I remember it that clearly to remember even the gate #! People were stopped along the highway to see one last flight go off the bridge.

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:33 pm

Don't quote me on this but I believe the City of Denver had certain noise restrictions or planned ordinances that required the city to relocate the aiport...naturally they moved it WAY out passed Aurora so as to not run into the same problem

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:44 pm

Noise was a much lower issue compared to the other issues mentioned. Moving the airport didn't solve noise issues. Not a chance.... Now Thornton, Northglenn, and Commerce City have had problems. In fact, fines have recently come down for airport noise violations. I live close to the airport, unfortunately not in the right area to participate in the settlement.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:56 pm

Okay, trivia question for you . . .

Where was the rotating beacon located at Stapleton.

I'll be back in four or five days with the answer.

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:02 pm

And people are still buying new homes in Green Valley Ranch area. These are the people who are going to complain about the noise five years from now.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:12 pm

The bridges at Stapleton were "blown up" on the morning of the Friday of President's Day Weekend in 1996. They were removed to make sure the runways north of I-70 could never be used again. There was a "fear" in Denver if Stapleton was not obliterated, DIA would become another Mirabel and the airlines would return to the old airport.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:25 pm

Didn't CO talk to the City of Denver about the possibility of keeping one or two runways at Stapleton open in exchange for not fleeing the city? I believe that as part of the annex of land from Adams county, Denver agreed to shut Stapleton down permanently... anyone have details?
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:06 pm

CO did want to keep their maintenance facility open at Stapleton. The city of Denver said no. So they moved there maintenance to IAH and EWR.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:31 pm

There was a court settlement about noise problems at Stapleton between the Park Hill neighborhood (the neighborhood southwest of the main terminal) and the City of Denver. I suspect the city of Aurora was included in the lawsuit since the airport's southeast boundary was the Denver-Aurora city limits, and most planes landed from the east. I remember when DIA opened it seemed pretty odd to drive up and down I-225 and not see any planes landing. CO wanted to keep a runway open to have a maintenance facility there, but the court settlement wouldn't allow it.

As it stands right now, not only are they selling homes in the Green Valley Ranch neighborhood, they are building new homes along the E-470 corridor in Aurora. Green Valley Ranch isn't in one of the noise zones, but the E-470 corridor is. They are having to build noise reducing technologies into all the homes there, which includes triple pained windows. They could also be getting a lot of noise from Buckley AFB, too. They even built a new public golf course at E-470 and Jewell Ave. I can just hear the excuses now, "I would have made that put if it wasn't for that stupid A320 landing!"

When the new airport was planned, it was originally to have six runways, four concourses, and about 120 gates. This was based under the assumption that there would be three airlines with hubs in Denver, which was made after the old Frontier Airlines folded. By the time Stapleton closed, the D concourse was virtually abandoned anyway. The advantage Denver International has over Stapleton is that it can grow. If they ever fully build out Denver International, it will have twelve runways, five concourses, and over 200 gates. The main terminal can also be expanded to the south, although they would have to redo the highway network.

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:35 pm

I spent a lot of 2000, 2001 and early 2002 teaching new hire flight engineers for Hawaiian at the UAL facility at Stapleton. We stayed at the Rennnaisance, and walked over to the training facility. The hotel was often full - a lot of training goes on there for UAL and other airlines - but a majority of the people at the hotel didn't have anything to do with the facility. I think the rates are a lot lower than the hotels downtown or near DIA, and they've become a good low cost alternative for businessmen on the road.

Growing up as the son of a UAL pilot, I spent a LOT of time wandering the concourses of Stapleton. I have good memories of the place, but in the end, it was a dump - much like the old United E & F concourses at ORD. After all those years going in and out of DEN, it was sad to see it demolished. But I have to admit I like the new DIA. Quite impressive.

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:13 pm

This website has some great pictures.

http://milehifield.topcities.com/main.html
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:06 am

Stapleton was a very interesting airport indeed. From an aesthetic standpoint, the terminals really did need replacement, although from a capacity standpoint they did just fine, especially towards the end. When Stapleton closed there were probably between 25-35 vacant gates sitting unused at the former CO hub.

I flew through Concourse D in 1993 (just as Continental was beginning its mass exodus from DEN) and it was really, really run down. The carpet was threadbare, there were water stains on the ceiling and the chairs had been removed from a lot of the departure lounges.

United's Concourse A and B were much nicer, as they had been rebuilt in the late 1980s. There were moving walkways, clerestory windows and somewhat wider concourses.

Concourse E (opened in 1987 for the non-hubbing airlines) was the real showplace at Stapleton. It had lots of greenery cascading down the walls, high peaked ceilings, and a very odd setup with elevated moving sidewalks running above the gate areas. Since the decision to build DIA was made before Concourse E was built, the city built the concourse with an eye towards converting it to office space after Stapleton closed.

Most of the Stapleton terminal was intact until about 1999 or 2000. The concourses were demolished first - a hailstorm in the late 1990s drilled a bunch of holes in the roof of the C and D Concourses, making them unusable. The main terminal block was originally going to be used for shopping or office space, but eventually the city decided to just tear everything down.

I only flew into Stapleton twice, but I remember that it didn't have the "downtown" feel of in-city airports like Chicago Midway, San Diego and Washington National. The Denver skyline was visible, sure, but you weren't weaving through skyscrapers on arrival like you do at other airports. In fact, most arrivals were from the east or north, over the plains, just like at DIA.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:20 am

The pics bring back a lot of memories. I flew through Stapleton twice back in the 70's, on CO en route to/from COS. I remember having to make a lot of turns on the approach. According to the Captain it was necessary to avoid the Rocky Mountain Arsenal.

When I was there Western was still going strong. I remember seeing a plane named "Robert Six", a name which meant nothing to me at the time.

Going back to TUL the wind was out of the south, and we had a long taxi to the end of the N/S runway.

I also remember going over I-70, and if my memory hasn't failed me I recall going over some railroad tracks and seeing a Union Pacific freight train

As I said, a lot of memories.
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:24 am

Ramprat74,

Thank you very much for listing the web address for Stapleton. I have been looking for some good pictures of the terminal inside and out. Having lived in Denver and worked at Stapleton this is sure to bring back memories.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:54 am

Ramprat74 said:

"CO did want to keep their maintenance facility open at Stapleton. The city of Denver said no. So they moved there maintenance to IAH and EWR."

Then, does anybody know why Contiental has a hanger at DIA? WHo uses it? I have never seen a CO plane, some times a Frontier jet (from time to time).
Any one know any information about this hanger?
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:10 am

The flight on which I took two of the Stapleton aerials Ramprat74 displayed above and linked below were taken only about a week after the airport was closed. A former coworker of mine here at MSY who had taken a position at Stapleton was the person that issued the official NOTAM closing Stapleton. Seeing Stapleton from overhead with everything you'd expect to see at a major airport, except, of course, airplanes, was almost surreal.

http://milehifield.topcities.com/ThomasMoore/thomas-025.jpg
http://milehifield.topcities.com/ThomasMoore/thomas-026.jpg

I have a great many memories of Stapleton, having flown through there 15 times between 1981 and 1994. My first flight into a snowstorm was into DEN back in 1982. The crowded CO concourses dressed up with Christmas wreaths, and chock full of travelers was neat to see. The observation deck between UA's and CO's concourses provided an excellent view of the airfield. Many of my photos on the http://milehifield.topcities.com website were taken from that deck. And yes, that website presents a excellent photographic perspective on Stapleton from many different photographers, and is very well put together.

I think we all will agree that Stapleton had its own set of problems, but I will say this: I sure miss the old place.

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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:12 am

They were going to use it for line maintenance. They probably did A checks in it for awhile. CO now leases it to Frontier. CO also has a huge ground equipment shop on the southside of the airport.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:26 am

Ramprat74-

Thanks, I've always wondered. So if they are leasing it to Frontier, will they ever get around to removing the Contiental signs?
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:14 am

Jumbo-Bumbo, the old Stapleton was NOT located in Montbello. It is by Park Hill to the west, and Aurora to the South and East. The Rocky Mountain Arsenal to the North. Montbello is further to the northeast. It is not dangerous just because it is minority. I am in that community everyday.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 11:34 am

Klwright69-

My mistake, you're right about Montbello. However, I would say that Park Hill wasn't the nicest part of town in the 80's - East Colfax is just a couple miles to the southwest. Nor was I making any veiled references about race - I am a minority myself. Sorry if I was initially unclear. East Colfax also has one of the only Filipino restaraunts in Denver, and one of the best Morrocan restaraunts in the US, but people not knowing where they are could get in situations they don't want to be in, nonetheless. I grew up near Pleasantview west of Denver and there were parts of Pleasantview that where I wouldn't go... nothing to do with race. Nowadays, I'm sure that Stapleton is a nice place. Some of the redevelopment at Lowry is very progressive, trying to build a real community. I presume that this is, to some extent, what they are trying to accomplish at Stapleton.

 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:16 pm

Good post JumboBumbo, you certainly know the area....

I agree the redevelopment is quite cool. It is not all ticky tacky!
 
klwright69
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:19 pm

I also certainly do agree.....parts of Park Hill are more difficult than Montbello. I will stop now, 99% of people don't know what the hell we're talking about. Off subject.
 
YoungDon
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:44 pm

Excuse me for my ignorance, but what the hell is the Rocky Mountain Arsenal? Is it some type of explosives cache or something?
 
tcfc424
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:50 pm

I have spent a lot of time in the "penalty box" at Stapleton. While it was intriguing to watch a heavy taxi across the bridge, it was nice to see DIA finally open. Someone mentioned above that DIA had been closed two times in it's history...While I agree this is not up to the "Will never close" standard, that's pretty damned good in my book, especially given some of the weather that they receive and what it would do to other major airports...EWR, JFK, LGA, ORD, IAH...ad nauseum....

Windshear is still a problem there I believe...but IIRC, they installed some high-tech detectors (pilots...can you help here?) and have some top-of-the-line weather gear.

What I thought was funny was the arrival of the very first PAX aircraft at DIA...was a UA flight (I think from Stapleton????) and the gate it was supposed to arrive at had a broken (Frozen?) jetway.

I flew through DEN a year or so ago and wish I had a camera. Looking North from the B concourse to that big maintenance hangar...there was a UA 777 and all you could see with the low fog was the tail...very surreal watching a tail move across the top of a low fog bank...

I digress. Stapleton was closer and more convenient, however the runways were laid out terribly and the facilities were in serious need of replacement. The land-locked position it was in as well led to its demise.
 
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:10 pm

YoungDon, the Rocky Mountain Arsenal is where the Army stored chemical weapons from about WWII on. There are probably more chemical weapons there than in all of Iraq. At any rate, it is one of the most polluted areas on Earth. Paradoxily, they are now converting the area into a wildlife refuge, after they clean up all the junk that we left laying around.

Tcfc424, the first arrival at DIA was a UA flight from COS. They rescheduled a flight by moving it up two hours. It snowed and was cold the morning DIA opened, and yes, the gate machinery froze. I guess this is a common problem in bitter cold weather.

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StevenUhl777
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:32 pm

Wow...there are some real Stapleton experts here! Thanks for the great information and pictures...brings back great memories.

I always liked Stapleton, actually...no particular reason, but the remodeled UA concourse was great...wide and spacious.

I'm surprised, though, that one particular factoid hasn't been brought up (or maybe I missed it) but there was a UA gate at Stapleton that boarded pax on the RIGHT side of the a/c! No pictures??!!! I recall seeing a DC-10 at this gate, and the jetway was pulled up to the first door on the f/c's side.

I miss Stapleton, but sure do love DIA, though.
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FrontierA319
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RE: Stapelton Int'l Airport

Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:41 pm

parts of Park Hill are more difficult than Montbello

I'll agree to that.


My family and I used to eat at the Red Baron restaurant all the time before it unfortunately burned down. I also loved how you could just pull over on moline as it was turning to the west and becoming Havana and watch planes approach from the east. I have lots of pics from there but I don't think they are A.net quality standards. Every time i drive by there i can see in my head what once was...



Chris.

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